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Timtheman
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[quote="expatben"]I sent you a PM about this but just a quick reply here-Gliwice sucks it sucks bad. Wroclaw is alright with castles and museams but man Gliwice sucks. Its like at least 1hr away from anywhere cool like Wroclaw or Krakow.
Anyways I am sorry for being a compleat downer here but I feel I am obliged to answer honestly and aside from a resteraunt called Something Different and a nice DOS theres not much in Gliwice.
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What's this??? I lived in Gliwice for almost 3 years and was sorry to leave. It's a beautiful city with a rich history that anybody with a modicum of gray matter in their skulls would be able to appreciate and would have a great time exploring. (Like I said, I was there 3 years and I still didn't get to see everything!)
Museums? Restaurants? If these are your reasons for wanting to be an English teacher, then unless you get a job in London or New York you will probably be disappointed. On the other hand, if you want to get to know wonderful, caring people who make you feel welcome the moment your feet touch the soil, then Gliwice is the place for you. I made many wonderful friends there and hope to return again some day.
One final note: Krakow and Wroclaw are both beautiful cities. I visited each several times, but never wanted to settle in either. Unless you are a Polish native, you will probably not feel "at home" living in Krakow: you will be seen and treated as a tourist. Wroclaw [i]is[/i] Gliwice on a much larger scale: a bigger Rynek, more churches, more pubs, etc. If this what you want, then have at it, but you're also going to pay for it. The cost of living is MUCH higher in Wroclaw than Gliwice, and SPEED teachers make exactly the same wages in Wroclaw as in Gliwice.
At any rate, I highly recommend working for SPEED in Gliwice. Zbig and Martyna are great, the secretaries are wonderful and helpful (not to mention beautiful), and the students will go out of their way to make you feel welcome and right at home. |
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expatben
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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Location: UK...soon Canada though
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Right, this is the OP
Hi
can anyone give me some info on Gliwice please
how does it compare to Wroclaw in size and amenities?
Im applying for a job there with Speed school of English , has anyone xp of working with them in Gliwice?
Note-info how it compares to Wroclaw as a city. I was asked an opinion and I gave it. I do not enjoy saying I have not a modicum of grey matter. I have not insulted people who disagree and I ask the same treatment.
Wroclaw-larger, castles and museams more internationalbut more expensive
Gliwice-smaller, no castles or museams more industrial but lots of pubs
There-that is a direct comparison now for people who like the smaller towns Gliwice is the place for them but for people who do not it is Wroclaw. I like Wroclaw because when I am teaching in a country I like to see its museams not to mention the OP said he knew Wroclaw and liked it-for those 2 reasons I recomended Wroclaw.
I NEVER said anything about SPEED given that there is a SPEED in Wroclaw both SPEEDs in my opinion are staffed with great teachers and to compare them would be an insult to both groups.
I hope we can end this argument or at least end the insults.
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gregoryfromcali
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| At any rate, I highly recommend working for SPEED in Gliwice. Zbig and Martyna are great, the secretaries are wonderful and helpful (not to mention beautiful), and the students will go out of their way to make you feel welcome and right at home. |
Expat Ben had a different experience than you, what's the problem?
I'm sure most Poles would choose to live in Cracow. In fact every pole I've ever met has told me that Cracow is the most beautiful city in Poland.
And if you live there and people get to know you then they won't treat you like a tourist unless you're going to touristy places.
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gregoryfromcali
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| As for Callan being a carer killer I will say I have known some people who have left Speed but have gone on to teach else where. I guess for some schools Callan might be seen as a positive, some negative and some might not even know what Callan is. |
I don't mean to continue to attack the Callan method.
If you're teaching the Callan method, you see results and you're happy that's great.
The truth is I don't really care what other teachers are doing in their classrooms, I have a life.
But I do believe that someone should let new teachers know what the Callan method is and why it is so easy to find a job at a Callan school.
When I moved to Cracow and got my CELTA I went months without finding a full time job. Everyday I'd visit different schools and the ones that seemed interested in hiring me full time were the Callan schools.
But I was confused because I had just spent a lot of money and a lot of time getting my CELTA, why did these other schools keep wanting me to get "their" training?
Why? Because their methods can be described as the opposite of the Communicative method.
(Which the reasons for are a debate for another thread.)
Although I wanted a job, I was told by a DOS and a Cambrige examiner who had been teaching throughout Europe for over a decade that some schools would rather have a completely new teacher than want to hire a teacher who has taught at a Callan school.
Simply because their teaching philosophies are so different.
For example, say you have two teachers with three years of experience applying for a job at a Callan school. One is a Callan teacher and one is not. Who do you think is more likely to get the job? Could it be the one that is the most qualified to teach Callan method?
Yes and the opposite is also true. If you go the jobs center of Daves I'll bet at least 95% of the schools on there are looking for communicative teachers.
My point is not that I think the Callan method is bad. I simply believe that if you want to teach English for a few years, want to have a lot of options then why waste your time doing anything else than teaching the method that most English schools around the world teach?
Why not go directly to the source? Although it may take longer to find a good job, sometimes things that are worthwhile take time to achieve. |
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Timtheman
Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting how everyone who has positive things to say about the Speed school of English and who "accidently" found this thread have usually only posted less than 5 posts and joined in the past few weeks. |
Yes, it is interesting, isn't it? By the way, "accidently" is spelled "accidentally." (The Callan method is perfect for spellers like you!)
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| Wawel, Leediggy, Bialonoz, Zarny, Phoboes, and Timtheman what's your story? |
Misinformation travels quickly, and when somebody makes the irresponsible statement, "Gliwice sucks bad," those of us who know better feel compelled to correct it.
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| Expat Ben had a different experience than you, what's the problem? |
Expat Ben lived in Gliwice for one month, hardly enough time to have had an "experience."
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| I'm sure most Poles would choose to live in Cracow. In fact every pole I've ever met has told me that Cracow is the most beautiful city in Poland. |
You're getting some pretty good opium there in Shanghai, aren't you? Hey, I won't dispute the sentiment that Cracow may be the most beautiful city in Poland; of course, there are 40 million people in Poland and, unlike yourself, I did not talk to enough of them to get a representative sample of their impressions of Cracow.
Let me see if I'm following your logic here: Are you saying that you think most Poles would choose to live in Cracow because it's a beautiful city? If so, then it follows that most Americans would want to live in San Francisco because most Americans think it's the most beautiful city in the U.S.
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| And if you live there and people get to know you and don't treat you like a tourist unless you're going to touristy places. |
Okay, you make a good point, although your sentence structure could use a bit of help. Anybody living in a tourist town can get to know people and come to feel like less of an outsider. One of the nice things about Gliwice, however, is that it's not a tourist town and English teachers who go there don't have to deal with the inauthenticities and trappings of a tourist town to begin with.
Granted, some teachers like living in a tourist atmostphere, and that's great! But a place should not be slandered simply because it does not meet somebody's entertainment needs. |
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expatben
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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Location: UK...soon Canada though
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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This is probably my last post on this subject as it is becoming off topic and personal.
What I said was not misinformation it was an OPINION which is exactly what I was asked. I am glad that you and others have condradicted my opinions because that way the OP gets a full and balanced account on a town. Was I too harsh saying it sucks bad? Perhaps and I admit I should have gone into detail-so I did I made a fair comparrisson but thats still not good enough so I am leaving it at this. I only hope that the OP takes ALL our experiences into account and makes a decision based on what he wants.
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gregoryfromcali
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Location: People's Republic of Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| This is probably my last post on this subject as it is becoming off topic and personal. |
It's interesting to see how emotional people are getting over this topic.
I'll say on thing about this town. Even if it is a charming little place, judging from this forum, the expats there don't seem like the kind of people I'd want to hang out with.
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gregoryfromcali
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| Yes, it is interesting, isn't it? By the way, "accidently" is spelled "accidentally." |
Yes, intersting isn't it?
Before you try to outsmart me.
Think twice and try again.
It's spelled "accidently" in the US.
It's spelled "accidentally" in the UK.
So who knows more about English now?
Although you've embarrassed yourself the truth is I don't care because I don't my measure my selfworth by my knowledge of my native toungue and its variants. |
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tbiehl2000
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Yes, it is interesting, isn't it? By the way, "accidently" is spelled "accidentally." (The Callan method is perfect for spellers like you!)
It's spelled "accidently" in the US.
It's spelled "accidentally" in the UK.
So who knows more about English now?
Oooh Timtheman, he burned ya there. I'm not sure about the spelling of tongue but still...he definitely burned you on the 'accidently' "accidentally" thing. If I were you, I'd think twice about ever posting again here at Dave's eslcafe. Joking of course.  |
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Timtheman
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Before you try to outsmart me.
Think twice and try again.
It's spelled "accidently" in the US.
It's spelled "accidentally" in the UK.
So who knows more about English now?
Although you've embarrassed yourself the truth is I don't care because I don't my measure my selfworth by my knowledge of my native toungue and its variants. |
I don't have to think twice before trying to outsmart you because I already did the first time. Your opium induced spelling of "accidently" cannot be found in any American English dictionary, past or present. "Accidentally" is both the British and American spelling.
Looks like I know more about English after all.
By the way, I think you do measure your self-worth by your knowledge of English, otherwise you wouldn't have made the blatant attempt to erroneously pass off "accidently" as the US spelling. Nice try, though. |
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Timtheman
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| Oooh Timtheman, he burned ya there. I'm not sure about the spelling of tongue but still...he definitely burned you on the 'accidently' "accidentally" thing. |
Uh... no, you just don't know how to spell "accidentally" either. But I will give you high marks for spelling "tongue" correctly. (At least I think you spelled it correctly. You'd better consult both an American and British English dictionary on this one.) |
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tbiehl2000
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gregoryfromcali
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This place is becoming more and more like the World Westling Federation. Oh well I'll take a heated forum over a dead forum anyday.
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| By the way, I think you do measure your self-worth by your knowledge of English, otherwise you wouldn't have made the blatant attempt to erroneously pass off "accidently" as the US spelling. Nice try, though. |
So you really do measure your self-worth by your knowledgde of English.
Well unfortunately you're wrong again.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=accidently
But don't worry I won't tell anyone.
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Timtheman
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You guys are awesome!
Peace. |
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gregoryfromcali
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You guys are awesome!
Peace. |
Peace. |
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