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AjarnErnes
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Mexico City, Mexico
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: Job finding agency |
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Have any of you ever used one?
How about this one?
http://www.teachermexconnect.com/current_jobs.html
What was your experience?
Is it even worth using them to find a job in Mexico City or should I try to do it on my own? Are there a lot of jobs out there?
I'm looking to arrive June 2006 for the fall term.
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Allie
Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 32 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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I sent them my resume and the $20 and they wrote straight back saying that they would forward my resume to 8 schools in Mexico. I heard back from one school saying that they don't employ people without meeting them first but if I was in Mexico I should stop by. I never heard anything back from the other schools so ended up using another agency. |
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Wouter

Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Tlaquepaque
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think the best way to find a job is just to go and start looking when you are there. Most of the schools want to see a person before the hire some one. Some ask for a demonstration class.
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Taurus
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 54 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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DONT USE TEACHERMEXCONNECT. They are so unprofessional and do not deliver anything they offer. I was interested in applying to Mexico, Spain or Chile where there are suppose to be more than 50 jobs in each country. After 3 weeks of ZERO responses I finally sent an inquiry and was given email addresses to send my own resumes to the school.
ALSO, before sending my resume, I wrote to all 3 contacts in the various countries stating that I was highly qualified and experienced and that I was looking for something a little more prestigious and higher paying than a language school and that 8000 pesos was not what I was looking for. I was assured that yes, I would be able to find such a job and they even advertise on their websites that most Mexican jobs pay 8 000 - 15000 pesos per month. Well, after sending my resume myself, the offer was 7 000 p per month. When I wrote to express my dismay at the fact that I had specifically stated that this was not acceptable I was told....
I am sorry but we can't be in control of the salary the school offers you. I am sure that you can understand that...............................
yes i can understand you cant control that but as a recruiting agency, isnt it your duty to know the general salary the school is offering and to match schools and candidates accordingly?????
[b]The 60 positions or so on the site are in general around $800 US per month, do you want your resume sent to them or not?[/b]
Save your money. This company is so unprofessional and you can more than likely find their contacts through a general internet search. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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The "Send us $20.00" person cracks me up. (She will probably jump on the forum and defend her "friend" again after reading this thread).
Funny this topic should surface again. Just a couple of months ago someone forwarded me an email to ask if I knew these people. The recipient is someone I know locally who has nothing to do with employing English teachers but received a multitude of resumes attached to a brief email from this person stating that these "qualified native English speaking teachers" needed jobs and to respond directly to them. It landed in her spam box. No indication of when the jobs were required by, no dates as to how old the resumes were. All of these teacher-hopefuls personal details were obviously dispatched clear around Mexico to heaven knows who.
This is certainly NOT a real placement agency and cannot be compared to a legitimate one. What the $20.00 lady does is creepy. Send your $20.00 to the hurricane victims in Mexico where you know it will go to someone deserving. It's a no brainer. You will have to spend some money if you expect a placement service to legitimately work for you. You can fax or email your own resume all around Mexico if you are so inclined to spend the time and effort, and at least you will know who has your home phone number and address! |
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Flo
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 112
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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I found a job through a place called Global ERS. They also go by another name, but I can't remember what it is. Their on-line ads are generally labeled something like "teach in mexico" or "teach mexico". In general they jobs they offer through this agency offer below average pay (less than $800 a month for city jobs). My feeling was that only the cheap or cheesy schools use them. Global charges the school $1000 USD for each teacher placed, so the applicant pays nothing.
Overall I think Global ERS is about as disorganized as any other job agency. They are somewhat professional, but never follow up on anything. If you are serious about going with them, you have to contact Monica and keep ASKING for all the information. Her boss, a guy in Canada by the name of Randal Butler, is totally unprofessional and seriously lacks business manners.
If you can find a job on your own I think you would be better off. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Just like with anything, you can't paint them all with the same brush. Some (or at least one I know of called Internetworks Teach-English-Mexico) actually do what they are paid to do and do not try to talk someone into a TESOL (or similar variety) course before being able to "accept" them. I recall that RichTx1 on this forum works for them in Mexico. Research his posts for information on what he does. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Say, where is Rich anyway? He hasn't posted in awhile.
I must say, I'm surprised Samantha. I had you pegged as someone who would paint all placement agencies with one brush. Kudos for the more balanced post. What's your experience with Internetworks by the way? Did you come down to Mexico through them?[/i] |
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Looking for my place
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Portland
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I used Global ERS and was totally happy with their service. They found me an excellent paying job at a prestigous school and Monica was friendly, helpful and stayed in touch with me the entire year I lived there. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I had you pegged as someone who would paint all placement agencies with one brush. Kudos for the more balanced post. |
Well gee, thanks Guy! That shows how little you really do know about me.... If I don't have personal experience, I generally do a little research prior to commenting. After all, newbies to the forum tend to believe things they read posted here and aren't able to see clearly through the jungle just yet.
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What's your experience with Internetworks by the way? |
Well since you asked, I have met Mark, plus over the years I have worked with a few teachers who were placed here by Internetworks. They seemed to have magic access to a local teacher rep (patient little soul he appeared to be). The teachers appeared to be able to whine to him when things didn't go their way with schools, students, or their landlords. At the time I recall thinking just how nice it must have been for them not to have to fight their own battles like the rest of us.
I feel that a few of the teachers I worked with just wouldn't have made it on their own. Like the teacher from England that blew up and threw chalk at his students and nearly got fired. And the teacher that freaked out and threw the students cell phones in the garbage bin. I'm pretty sure that guy saved their bacon and put them right. No other explanation seemed likely.
I have done some homework in this area too after reading several blanket statements posted here that people should avoid placement agencies. There seems to be nothing concrete to paint them all with one brush especially after checking them out individually. I think a good start is to check how many years any given placement agency has been in business or how long have they been placing teachers in whatever country it is, not just Mexico. Then you have to weigh what they do for their money. Bottom line - you get what you pay for. Do they try to sell you a course in addition to a placement fee, claiming you need to be TESOL certified to work in Mexico? Big red flag there. And promises of jobs for life are just way over the top, aren't they? Whose life? The life of the teacher or that of the placement agency? Unrealistic.
One poster noted that she had used a placement agency here in Mexico after taking their course, who had made such promises. She posted she had called them from the location of her placement (Ixtapa?) and said it wasn't working out, but suddenly her placement person wasn't helpful at all and blew her off. She was understandably ticked off. And you can hardly call people who collect resumes and then mass distribute them in hopes of a bite, a placement agency. They are called opportunists. A real placement agency will have established contacts and not make unrealistic claims of high salaries or fabulous lifestyles. They should be able to tell it like it is in the country you are to be placed in and if you have reason to believe you are getting strung a line then double and triple check. Do your own homework.
Rich is probably off making his millions selling his book! Sounds less stressful than teaching English, to me.... I hope he checks back in with the forum sometime. He is a cool guy. |
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Cdaniels
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 663 Location: Dunwich, Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: Yet another certification question |
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Samantha, what is your opinion about certifications in general, or at least certification for teaching Mexican schools? Although clearly some underhanded recruiters are selling specific certifications, and certs aren't neccessary in Mexico (although maybe this may change?) would you advise that certifications are a waste of money? There are other people on Dave's who have said this, and also I have heard recruiters recommend getting a certification without selling a specific program. So, although you have cleared up some issues about placement agencies, you have confused me somewhat about certification! |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another certification question |
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certs aren't neccessary in Mexico (although maybe this may change?) |
Hmm. I wouldn't say that's quite right. I imagine it's possible for a native speaker to get hired in some areas without papers, but where I live the local immigation office will not issue an FM3 for English instruction without the bearer having some type of teacher certificate. Now that might be a cheap little online or weekend seminar course, but you have to have some kind of certificate, and it has to be apostilled/legalized. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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So, although you have cleared up some issues about placement agencies, you have confused me somewhat about certification! |
It wasn't my intention to cause confusion about certification, only to point out that some placement programs insist that you have TESL certification, (one which they just happen to sell) or they say they can't place you in Mexico.
Most of the foreigners I have taught with have degrees (necessary for a working FM3 in Mexico) but not necessarily a TESOL certificate. I think certification is wise if you have never tutored or taught before because you will learn something, but is sure isn't mandatory, if you have a degree and some practical experience. Be sure to check with past participants to discover if the course delivers what it promises and to see if it fits your personal needs. There are some good courses out there, just as there are job placement agencies (and mechanics, doctors and dentists!)  |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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but where I live the local immigation office will not issue an FM3 for English instruction without the bearer having some type of teacher certificate. |
ls650 brings up an excellent point here. The rules of the road tend to vary with each Migracion office throughout Mexico. This is something very important to be aware of. Ours happens to be very laid back and a BA is enough, however they have JUST begun to insist that the multitudes of instant real estate agents (foreigners) hanging a shingle have some sort of real estate license from up north. Go figure, since there is no such local requirement for realtors. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Global charges the school $1000 USD for each teacher placed |
That's a lot. I didn't know schools paid for this. What is the guarantee to the school that the teacher will be a suitable employee and stick around for the length of the contract? |
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