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cezarek
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| How do you deal with split schedules? |
I don't.
Just say "No" to split schedules.
The school needs you more than you need them. |
They probably don't. A school can always find teachers.
If you teach in-company, split shifts are part of the job, just as evening working is part of a barmaid's or night shifts are part of a funeral director's.
If you only want lovely blocks of lessons, then why not go direct to a client and find them yourself. The school, like any business, sells what it can. And clients (at least here in Poland) tend to want lessons before or after the working day. I used to prefer split shifts. But there isn't such a stampede of clients wanting lessons that they have to fit their schedule around the teacher's personal preferences. |
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Bialonoz
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| And clients (at least here in Poland) tend to want lessons before or after the working day. |
Exactly. It's a fact of life, so we should make the best of it. There are plenty of things to do in the daytime, provided that your horizons extend further than bars and brothels.
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gregoryfromcali
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If you only want lovely blocks of lessons, then why not go direct to a client and find them yourself. The school, like any business, sells what it can. And clients (at least here in Poland) tend to want lessons before or after the working day. I used to prefer split shifts. But there isn't such a stampede of clients wanting lessons that they have to fit their schedule around the teacher's personal preferences. |
It's not a fact of life.
When I worked in Cracow, last year, I worked only in blocks of lessons and so did all the other teachers I knew.
One of the schools I worked at wanted me to work mornings. I said no. Because the mornings were my time, not to mention the only time I could take Polish lessons.
As a result they gave the classes to a new teacher.
I personally don't see any point being in a foreign country if all you're going to do is work.
I could understand if you are new, or you like your school, like teaching a lot, want to help them out or you want to make some money. I too took a Saturday CPE class because my school gave me a whole month off to go home for the holidays.
Another one of these things that is "supposedly" impossible.
But if you're a teacher who doesn't want to spend your whole day at work then you don't have to. Do your job well and your school will value you and won't want to loose you.
At my school here in China I get paid double for split shifts because it is basically overtime. But it's not something that normally happens because the school looks out for its teachers.
Unfortunately not all schools are this professional. My question is, if us teachers don't set the standard who will?
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Bialonoz
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When I worked in Cracow, last year, I worked only in blocks of lessons and so did all the other teachers I knew. |
A year is a long time in the efl market.
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| I personally don't see any point being in a foreign country if all you're going to do is work. |
A foreign country??? It's nearer to London than the North of Scotland is. Some of us have husbands, children, mortgages etc. We have to work. If I wanted foreign, and sightseeing, and folk art I'd have gone right round the world. Somewhere like Mexico.
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| Unfortunately not all schools are this professional. My question is, if us teachers don't set the standard who will? |
The market will set the standard as it always does. |
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gregoryfromcali
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| A year is a long time in the efl market. |
I've been teaching for over three years now, thank you.
And for over two years in Poland.
I don't like your prostitute reference.
I'm here in Asia studying martial arts and there's much more to Asia than you could ever imagine.
There's no need to get emotionally involved in these discussions. I'm simply giving out the same advice on this board as I would to my best friend.
If you don't like it you can simply scroll down and ignore it.
I may have a big mouth from time to time, but I haven't said anything here that warants you getting emotional about.
In Redsoxfan's original post he implies that his schedule wasn't ideal.
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| A foreign country??? It's nearer to London than the North of Scotland is. |
Believe it or not, not everyone on Dave's is British.
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Bialonoz
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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There's no need to get emotionally involved in these discussions. I'm simply giving out the same advice on this board as I would to my best friend.
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Who's emotional?
But anyone has a right to reply to posts, not least those which seem to imply that our work is about seeing the world, empathising with students, meeting new people.
We all do our jobs for our own reasons, sometimes to make a living, sometimes for beer money. But those of us who've been here for a while, rather more than two years in fact, and are raising families, buying houses etc, have very different concerns to those who are here to experience something.
We have different concerns, but I think a shared experience. We perhaps should be a bit more positive on this board.
And why don't you like the brothel reference?  |
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Bialonoz
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By the way, I just had two private messages from 'gregoryfromcali'
The first one said words to the effect of 'was that brothel reference meant for me?'
No. Why would it be?
The second one said 'Are you looking for trouble?'
That sounds a bit sinister, especially from someone who feels the need to study 'martial' arts.
I've never received a message quite like that before! |
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gregoryfromcali
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I think your comments degrade Asia, which is a place I'm very passionate about.
Not to mention teachers who work here and are serious about teaching English.
"A need to study martial arts." Nice try.
Again you're just showing your own ignorance and your own Euro-centric view of the world.
Good luck with getting the job in Gdansk. |
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gregoryfromcali
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Grrrmachine
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Greg, no offence, but you do seem to be the one to take things personally on here. It then doesnt work if you say "no need to get emotional."
I certainly have no intention to be patronising, but try reading your own posts back to yourself sometime. It gets a bit boring when these things deteriorate to insults time and again.
And I think most people on here could be forgiven for thinking that the people in Poland come from the British Isles, considering the geographical distances. There's no need to be fight-fishing. |
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gregoryfromcali
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| I certainly have no intention to be patronising, but try reading your own posts back to yourself sometime. It gets a bit boring when these things deteriorate to insults time and again. |
It gets boring for me too, mate. Which is why I switched to PMs.
I give out the same advice as I would give to my best friend.
If you go back to the Callan thread, I think you'll see that I can debate forever without resorting to name calling or any other types of gutter references.
That's not to say that I don't like putting on a show on ocassions. I admit it I do like to tease people, especially uptight people.
I PMed Bialonoz in an attempt to find out why I was obviously being attacked. Which has happened a lot since my comments about the Callan method.
Usually when I PM people we come to a truce, obviously that didn't happen here. But that's not my problem.
Again I'm not looking to start trouble, I just tell it like it is from my point of view and my experience as someone who struggled for half a year before finding a full time job in one of the best schools in Cracow.
Fair enough though, I do have a big mouth. Yet I do find Poland to be an exotic place, believe it or not, and I'm just here to share with people how they can get the most out of it.
Us teachers got to stick together.
But I am not angry. Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me. |
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JZer
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| We all do our jobs for our own reasons, sometimes to make a living, sometimes for beer money. But those of us who've been here for a while, rather more than two years in fact, and are raising families, buying houses etc, have very different concerns to those who are here to experience something. |
If you are so worried about money, why are you in Poland? Be smart and move somewhere else for a while and save for the house in Poland, It will make your life easier. Probably one years wages in some countries could buy a house in Poland. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Be smart and move somewhere else for a while and save for the house in Poland, It will make your life easier. Probably one years wages in some countries could buy a house in Poland. |
Even work in Saudi pays �35,000 a year at most. That sure as hell won't buy you a house anywhere near Warsaw. Won't even buy you half a house anywhere near Warsaw.
If you want to be smart then negotiate a fair share of the tuition fees students pay to schools. Then you can easily earn enough to pay the mortgage for a house. A 650,000PLN (170,000 Euro) mortgage over 30 years will cost you 2,400PLN a month to repay. |
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gregoryfromcali
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| If you want to be smart then negotiate a fair share of the tuition fees students pay to schools. Then you can easily earn enough to pay the mortgage for a house. A 650,000PLN (170,000 Euro) mortgage over 30 years will cost you 2,400PLN a month to repay. |
How do you pull that off?
It sounds good considering that usually 2 and half students in a class normally pays the salary of a teacher per semester. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| How do you pull that off? |
Earn at least 5,200PLN per month, be younger than 35 and go to Fortis bank. They will lend you that much money if your income is that high. If your income isn't that high then buy with your partner. |
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