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possible to live and settle down in Japan on an ESL career?
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canuck



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: possible to live and settle down in Japan on an ESL care Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
Instead you'll need to carefully organize student-ccentered activities where you're primary role is to manage resources -- rather than BEING the primary resource yourself.


I would hope most ESL lessons are like this. I've seen/heard too many foreigners that teach large groups and say, "This is their chance to speak to me, and I will give everyone a turn!"
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least in Japan I'd say that a degree from a non-English speaking country is next to worthless


One obvious exception here are those universities overseas that are either fully accredited in the US and or are fully affiliated with an US university. I say US here simply because I am not aware of any UK, Canadian, Australian or New Zealand universities that run campuses here in Japan.

Temple University Japan has an outstanding MATESOL program and an MA from a place like the American University of Cairo would also be well-respected.

When I was looking for a place to do my Ph.D. I strongly considered doing it at the University of Postdam (Germany) because one of the leading scholars in my micro-field was there and had agreed to serve as my supervisor. But in the end I decided that people just wouldn't understand my having gotten a degree from a German university (in the Germanistik department) even though all the course work and thesis would have been in English. I'm not sure employers in the US are going to "understand" my degree from the UK in Communication Studies.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temple is an american university with a branch campus in Japan. its not a Japanese university degree. i was referring to a TESOL degree from the Seoul or Suwon University. i have seen people ask about TESOL degrees from universities in Thailand. they may have eminent and famous people on their faculty but they are still homegrown universities. That said, one of my friends did his phD through Nagoya university, all in English and I think had it translated into Japanese.

Temple and Columbia and one other are American universities with campuses here. the Brit and Australian degrees are done by distance. Im currently enrolled in the Birmingham course.
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mrjohndub



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: possible to live and settle down in Japan on an ESL care Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
Instead you'll need to carefully organize student-ccentered activities where you're primary role is to manage resources -- rather than BEING the primary resource yourself.


Wow, Abufletcher. That's a damn good point. I really mean that.

I've been thinking of working next year on my MA in TESOL because I like this field so much already. I also speak a smattering of about six languages, and although I've (for fun) introduced friends and even curious students here to some phrases and phonetics, I just couldn't grasp at first your mention of teaching an intro lesson to a completely alien tongue. But now that I've let it sunk in for a couple of minutes, wow...what a gripping idea! What a motivation, to have those skills and the requisite confidence. I think that I possess the personality to develop both.

Thanks. You've actually instilled in me a goal that I'd never previously thought of. Well done...
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: teaching in Japan Reply with quote

I would agree with Abu, except for a few cavets. Even if you're teaching beginners, depending on the culture, they might be very disappointed if you the teacher can't explain even simple points related with the language. Remember, many learners are not absolute beginners, either being false beginners or having some knowledge of a second language they are studying.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One idea I try to get across in my Second Langauge Teaching course is that there are varying ways of being a "GLT" ("Great Language Teacher") all involving differing balances of three basic elements: G) "Good preparation" L) Language skills and T) Technical expertise in education and linguistics. As long as it all adds up to 100% you can be a good teacher.

Many NNS teachers can compensate for weaker language skills with superior technical awareness of features of the language and/or better preparation. On the other end of the stick you have novice NS teachers, often with very little technical expertise, who by by adding some hard work to their native language skills can be a pretty effective teachers. I suppose this is the idea behind pairing up a Japanese teacher with an ALT. Well, in theory at least.

The long term goal should be to have an equal balance of each -- and ultimately to keep expanding in all areas.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...deleted by poster (didn't seem appropriate to our discussion here).

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: teaching in Japan Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
very disappointed if you the teacher can't explain even simple points related with the language. Remember, many learners are not absolute beginners, either being false beginners or having some knowledge of a second language they are studying.


I'm always concerned when I hear the word "explain" and have always been bothered that the Japanese word for "teach" is the same as "explain" ("oshiete kudasai"). To me "explaining simple points" smacks of a certain outlook on the nature of the language teaching endeavor as it reveals an orientation towards a "transmission" metaphor for education. I will agree that students often have an almost perverse almost pathological need for hearing explanations, typically about arcane grammar points, and it's something that all teachers end up doing at least sometimes. I've never felt it's all that productive though. This "act of explaining" usually strikes me as more like a means to maintain the teacher/student hierarchy.

I also agree that it would be extremely challenging to teach an intro course on a language of which one has next to no practical skills. I hope I never have to do it seriously. I did, however, have to teach German as a foreign language to students at Kuwait University and while my German is pretty reasonable, I couldn't just walk in and hoof it -- IN GERMAN -- through an entire lesson. I had to pre-script much of what I wanted to say in class. Actually I scripted much more than I actually ended up saying since I had to think through all the possible contingencies of what I MIGHT have to say. Even though my students all spoke at least some English I felt it would have been a cop-out to resort to English in a German class taught to Arab students. I did tell them though that if there was something that they really really couldn't get through the German they could ask me for help after class (and outside of the classroom) in either English or via my limited Arabic.

I also remember my Dad's experience as a 5th grade teachers back in the 60's when the state of California suddenly mandated that Spanish would be taught in all 5th and 6th grade classrooms. (Anybody else remember "Miguelito Martinez"?) They didn't stop to think about whether all the 5th and 6th grade teachers out there actually spoke any Spanish! Anyway, my dad was always able to stay one step ahead othe students.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
Actually, I've been invited to teach a course on Conversation Analysis for TUJ's MATESOL program next term -- actually starting Jan. 13! I've been teaching related courses for several years now but am looking forward to working with Temple students.


FWIW I graduated from the Temple program in '94 (Osaka). Great course and great teachers, most of them. I assume you will be at the Tokyo campus?

Say hi to Ken Schaefer for me.

Paul
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: teaching in Japan Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:

I'm always concerned when I hear the word "explain" and have always been bothered that the Japanese word for "teach" is the same as "explain" ("oshiete kudasai").


Shocked Where did you hear this? The Japanese word for "explain" is "setsumei suru," though just like in English (and especially in the mouths of our more challenged students), the meaning can sometimes overlap with your usage of "teach." E.g., I have three slackers, all English native speakers with major attendance "issues," asking me now to "explain" things for the final exam tomorrow--when what they really want is me to "teach" (i.e., tell them so they can memorize and regurgitate) the "correct" answers. This for an essay exam in a literature class, with multiple correct answers (depending on how well they defend their various points) necessarily possible for each question.

Drives me more than a bit insane, to tell you the truth.... Rolling Eyes
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: making it in Japan Reply with quote

Good points Abu, sometimes the explanations asked for are unnecessary for the level, but adult students still often have them. When it comes to 'arcane' grammar, I might answer later privately, especially if the explanation will take lengthy examples and drag us away from our main purpose. Some things though can be taught as examples, and try and let the students reason it out (deductive reasoning), or at least to understand which is the usual language approach used by native speakers.

As to whether it reinforces the hierarchy, is a good question. Good classes have me learning more than my students! But remember, the students are taking the class for a reason (hopefully beyond the fact that it is a mandatory class) and if that reason includes a need, we need to satisfy that need (or at least in Japan, appear to satisfy that need).

I like your example of the GLT= good preparation, language skills, and technical skills in linguistics and education. You might also want to add understanding your students' culture, which of course is more difficult in real ESL classes versus the EFL classes one might teach in Japan {I have two exceptions in Japan; two classes of international exchange students (Russian, Eucuadorian, Chinese, and Australian) and Japanese students}.
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