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jnesta1



Joined: 31 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Citizenship and work Reply with quote

Hello All,

It's been awhile since I wrote. I hope all are well in this time of preparation for the busy Holiday Season.

I know this is an ESL site, but I am hoping someone can answer a more general question for me. I obtained Italian citizenship awhile back. Does this allow me to enter the country and any area of teh work force (not just ESL) legally? In other words, can I go to Italy and apply for any job that I might be qualified for?

Thanks in advance for your help!

jn
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ewitch



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but you still need to apply for a codice fiscale (tax code) which you can do when you get here. You need to check with your local Italian Consulate as you may also have to register with the Questura (State Police) in order to obtain an identity card/health card etc.
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes sense, ewitch, thanks.

jn
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SueH



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Citizenship and work Reply with quote

jnesta1 wrote:
In other words, can I go to Italy and apply for any job that I might be qualified for?
jn


Depending on the area of work you might also need a copy of your qualifications translated and certified against its Italian equivalent.
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sue, I pretty much assumed that part. I guess my concerns were more about teh legality of it. We haven't even started to talk about dealing with all teh levels of beauracracy.

j
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jeff

Good to see you back!

What sort of area were you thinking of working in? There have been major cutbacks in a lot of sectors recently, but some areas are more buoyant than others. The better qualified and experienced you are, the better your chances. I'm thinking particularly for IT and related industries.

Good luck!
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Teacher in Rome,

Nice to hear from, too!

I'm not sure what area I'd be trying to get work in at this time. Some days I wish I had an IT background.

MY training is in the sciences. I got a Masters in Molecular Biology and Microbiology but it's old, having grqaduated in 1987. Then I went on to become a physician. I have been contemplating coming over there and trying to use my graduate training to get back into research, or maybe even trying something else, seeing what wouold be available. I am computer literate, able to web surf, word process, send email, use Excel and Windows, those types of things.

I hope you're having a great Holiday Season.

Jeff
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say "physician", does that mean practising doctor? If you can get all your papers etc translated and approved, you could do quite well as a private English-speaking doctor I imagine.

I recently met an Italian doctor who went off to somewhere in Africa, then got involved in malaria research. There do seem to be opportunities, and a lot of this work is conducted in English.
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, TIR, there's a whole story to be had on becoming a physician in Italy, for an American....

First: yes, I am "un medico," a practicing family doctor.

Several years ago I got teh bright idea that I would transfer my credentials to Italy and practice in the land I love. For over a year, I went round and round with teh local consulate to find out what I should do. My friends who are chiropractors and pharmacists had no trouble. It's a pretty simple procedure for them, once they have their credentials translated, to get certified in Italy. I won't go into all teh details (I'm sparing you over a year's worth of emails, letters and phone calls), but suffice it to say that it sounds like in my profession those who are in teh business are very protective of their turf in Italy. MY last Italian teacher has a relative who is a physician in a large Italian city. His take on teh situation is that there is a surplus of Italian physicians, and that they have a very strong AMA (IMA?). So, I eventually found a list of what's required (no help from teh consulate), but then heard this story from my teacher. Eventually, I was given an even bigger list from the consulate, and was told..no surprise....there would be a "cost" to the whole process, teh value of which would be determined at teh time of application.

I am considering teh career change to accommodate teh transfer.

Thanks for teh ideas.

JN
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not giving up on the idea entirely, I think there's a huge difference in working for the National Health Service (for which you need to be licensed etc etc) and working for yourself, perhaps outside of the Health Service, where your clients / customers are not entitled to state health provision. The situation in Italy (as opposed to the USA) is that if you are a resident - or EU citizen - you are automatically entitled to free (or low-cost) health cover. If you weren't registered to practise on the Italian Health Service, your clientele would be limited to those who couldn't get residency.

You could perhaps try on places like the US naval base near Naples - US citizens working there aren't necessarily covered by the Italian Health Service. There are also a number of private clinics and hospitals, which would accept US accreditation.

Alternatively, you could set up an Italian language website along the lines of "ask the doctor" and earn megabucks in advertising revenues!! Seriously though, there is a complete lack of straightforwardly-written information in Italian - for any service - and this could be something worth looking into. Or maybe I've had one too many glasses of wine!!
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is so funny...I was online less than an hour ago and there was no note from you....but I just logged on again to write a little more, and voila! Your note....

I had been thinking throughout teh day that you had said I'd be able to practice in English. Now I understand how. Someone else said that english is teh science language in Italy, which could benefit me, though it seems to do any teaching in that specific area, I'd need to know teh Italian too.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that staying outside teh National system would be the way to practice in English? You are saying my niche would be serving those who were not part of the state-run system? Is that a significant population in Italy?

Hmmm...just coming out of a situation where I've had my own practice, I'm not too keen on teh idea of setting up my own in a foreign country....running a practice is a ton of work, at least in teh States. Maybe I have a jaded view because it is so hard here right now.

Someone suggested American Hospital in Rome to me once...I've gone to their site and could find nothing helpful in this regard (jobsemployment, much less how to get there from here). It seems that without knowing anyone I might have a very hard time.

[/quote]Seriously though, there is a complete lack of straightforwardly-written information in Italian - for any service - and this could be something worth looking into.
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Not sure I understood this comment. Could you explain? With wine or without...

I do appreciate teh encouragement. This conversation will push me to continue looking. And to start gathering teh documents, which for my field are many.

Ciao,

JN
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Dave's quote service work properly? I clicked on 'quote" then pasted the text I wanted to quote, then clicked quote again, and it didn't even come close to working.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how large the private health market would be. You'd either have those who are here illegally, or those who haven't yet got their residency. I knew someone in the second category who paid 50 euro for a visit to the doctor: it's a lot of money, and probably not something you'd do unless you were feeling very unwell!

The other idea I had would be to set up something outside of strict family doctor practising, and to provide a straightforwardly-written information service in Italian. What has struck me recently is that whereas in the UK and in the US there is a wealth of well-written medical websites, I have not yet come across anything written in clear Italian. This could be because Italian is a much more flowery language, but it is also the case that Italy is light years away from when it comes to providing clear and iinformative websites.
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jnesta1



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I need to get beyond my two semesters of UNi Italian, dan get some tech background.
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John ELS



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're caught working as a med you can get into very very big trouble. If you really want to practise here then you have to transfer your credits/exams and go back to school here.
Otherwise, you could go into freelance translating. You could even do that while studying. There are plenty of translators out there but the good ones (specialised) have far too much work on their hands. You're an MD so if your Italian is good enough (and after some training) you could provide expert medical translations.
Go to www.proz.com.
Personally, I've been doing much less teaching and dedicating more time to translating (about 25% teaching 50% translating) and I have to turn down work constantly.
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