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[oreyade]

[PAULH]

[PAULH]

Oreyade

this was WAAAY back on page three, and you have still not answeredd them, this is deposit opening up another rant on general page where you have afiled to address these questions over there either. Nor have you addressed the answer about whether my you would treat my kids as Asians because they are born in japan, or whites because they have a western passport as well.


Glenski, Cafe Bleu and I are still waiting.

Tell me Oreyade. Are you, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? (You are now under oath).

[homersimpson]

Hate to burst any bubbles, but ... "The white face color has been a traditional symbol of beauty in Japan for centuries." Well before Europeans (white or otherwise) made contact with Japan. In fact, I've heard Japanese men rave about Akita Prefecture, for example, simply because that's where (they claim) you can find a fair-skinned, traditional-looking Japanese beauty. That's not to say the younger generation Japanese girls haven't adopted Western styles (especially at it pertains to dress), however, the recent trends regarding skin color have veered toward dark tanning and not whitening, which, ironically, would be more Japanese than Western.

[Mr. Rochester]

I've been wanting to jump into this morass for a while but it took me a while to wade through all of the lnegthy posts.

Oreyade, please tell me--how, as an Asian-American you were discriminated against in the US? Were you denied a place at university? Were you passed over for a job because you're Asian? Did a landlord refuse to rent to you? I know this doesn't encompass all of the experiences a minority faces in his daily life, but I would like to have some specific instances.

And your harping on "the silencing of alternative voices"--how were you being silenced? Is disagreeing with your opinion a method of silencing? If so, how? And if Asian voices are being silenced by the white "majority"--then how do you explain a popular writer like Amy Tan? Or the poet Marilyn Chin? Or Oe who won the Nobel Prize for literature? Pick up an issue of "The American Poetry Review" (which has the highest circulation of all poetry mags in the US)--and note how many "Asian" names number among the contributors. Are they being "silenced?" Overlooked?

My biology professor at a small midwestern college was Japanese. The last doctor I saw when I was living in the US was Korean. My sister's boss is also Korean. How are they being marginalized?

When Glenski noted that you don't express yourself very well, you immediately assumed he was implying that because you're of Asian ethnicity, you can't be a "True, Grand Master of English." Tell me, explicity, where he stated that? Sorry, but you're the one who relentlessly uses ad hominem attacks on Paul, cafe bleu and Glenski. That kind of attack is a low rhetorical blow, and only proves to someone like me that you are incapable of engaging in a thoughtful argument without resorting to personal attack.

In your dreams of "Asian unity" you falsely assume that because people share an ethnicity, they also share a culture. What, besides your ethnicity, do you share with a villager in a remote village in Cambodia? A fisherman living on the coast of the Japanese Sea? A bar hostess in Kabuki-cho?

About the American "occupation" of Japan--as Paul (or Glenski--I can't remember which) pointed out to you and you failed to respond to, the US troops are there because the Japanese government wants them there. Do you think that the boneheaded remarks about the Pacific War that have been made over the years by Japanese politicians would have been uttered if Japan hadn't been huddled under the protection of the US? There is still a lot of mistrust of Japan by China and both Koreas, and Japan has enjoyed 60 years of safety and prosperity precisely because the Americans are stationed in their country. I personally think the best thing the US government could do is to pull out their troops and leave Japan to defend themselves.

[PAULH]

Oreyade

In this long tirade you have not once mentioned where you are living, what citizenship you possess (I assume American of Asian descent- Korean Japanese, Chinese, Hawaiian?) and whether you have actually visited, taught or lived in any of these Asian countries that you so proudly consider yourself to be a member of, nor whether you speak any of the languages as a native or a second language to any degree of fluency. If you have never moved out of the US, what qualifies you to call yourself Asian than more than the genes granted to you by your parents? What is an Asia to you? A Karen tribesman in Burma, a Mongolian horseman? A Chinese peasant in tibet? A yuppie with a cellphone in Shanghai or Hong Kong?

Tiger Wood's mother is Thai and Im not sure he considers himself any more Asian than I do.

For myself, I have lived here in japan, sixteen years which makes about a third of my life, have a Japanese wife, with Japanese blood running though my kids' veins. Im not Asian nor do i consider myself 'Japanese' but that makes me pretty damn close.

[cafebleu]

Folks - it really serves no purpose to give any remote credence to the purveyors of bitterness, delusion, paranoia, hysteria and hatred.

We`ve all seen how genuine arguments go unanswered by somebody who clearly does not live in Japan, has no idea of other people`s experiences, and doesn`t want to know.

This will be my last post on the topic and I advise people of goodwill on this forum to not get involved in what is clearly a case for a therapist - if the poster concerned would admit they need help and spend the money instead of making this usually pleasant board a rant session.



Silence is the best response. As well as laughter, of course.

[cafebleu]

Seriously, Paul, Glenski, Nagoyaguy, etc - save your internet time for somebody who is not so clearly consumed by hatred. It`s like arguing with Neo Nazis, with Shintarou Ishihara (virtually the same thing), with right wing extremists.

Let`s make a point of golden silence. And laughter!

[oreyade]

To all the brothers and sisters out there,

Well as you can see the Duracell White Power EFL Lynch Mob has succeeded in getting together and masscring minority opinions under their cold White snow storm.... they like to carpet bomb minority opinions off the face of their White world... kill us with their neverending White cluster bombs... and cut down minority opinions like grass.... Oh well its all in their White Imperial nature....

The Duracall White people just keep going and going, to exterminate dissenting minority opinions. Its the biggest lesson of history everyone... Remember the Nazi's, the South Afrikaans, the Dixie Slave Owners, the White American racists who jailed Japanese Americans, and all the other White Power mobs in history were just like the White EFL Lynch Mob in here.... As you can see in their posts, the White Power lynch mob in here actually have different viewpoints. But they never critique each other? Why?? Instead, they are fixated and obsessed with only one thing. When they see a non-White minority person that challenges their White Power, then these various majority White people ignore their differences and band together in order to exterminate non-White minority opinions.... White Supremacists don't like to let minority people have the last word. Those White people want to speak for non-White people. See how they keep claiming to speak from an Asian perspective.... And how they try to discredit and downplay the minority opinions.... They are the ultimate puppet masters....

Its up to you fellow Asian brothers and sisters, and open-minded White people who are NOT part of the White EFL lynch mob.... Don't let the Duracell White Power Inquisition take you down... Keep positive, hopeful, and ALWAYS REMEMBER: who you are now, who you never were, and who you never will be....

[homersimpson]

Oreyade,

Your ramblings are rather amusing. Do you work for Spike Lee or Oliver Stone? I'm sure your many years (I'm guessing 22, recent college grad) on this lovely planet and vast experience have helped formed your level-headed opinions. By the way, where do "white" people come from? Germany, Italy, Russia, England, Canada, Denmark, etc.? I suppose all those ethnic groups think exactly alike. By the way, if you're going to enlist the assistance of a commercial product, at least identify it properly. http://www.energizer.com/ Energizer, not Duracell, uses the catch phrase "going and going" in its marketing campaigns. Please rectify this as I'm sure some "white" guy spent hours and hours coming up with the successful ad slogan.

[Mr. Rochester]

Oh, it gets so tiring--everytime an opinion is challanged, the cry of "I am being oppressed" is heard in the land.

You flatter yourself too much--there's no need to "silence" a writer whose stuff contains nothing but bilious putdowns of those who dare to disagree.

What other posters were trying to do was to get you to actually engage in a thoughtful discussion, and all you could do was mouth the b**s*** you picked up in your ethnic studies classes at university. Not once did you answer any of the direct questions that were presented to you by Glenski, Paul or cafebleu or myself. Any hint that we may not agree with you, and all you can do is say that we're trying to silence you. If someone agrees with you, they get a patronizing pat on the head and a "well, there's hope for you yet" comment.

That may be standard issue in Humanities departments, but not in the real world. The real world is made up of a multiplicity of opinions, and just because your shouting is the shrillest, doesn't make you right. Or even very interesting.

[khmerhit]

Has anyone on this forum read Mishima? Now THERE were some young guys who knew they were right. Take a look-- I recommend this great author.