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[izzyismydog]

I have signed a contract with a school who is giving me 8 hours a week and an ARC. They are letting me sign with a second school as one can now have two schools legally on their work permit (or something like that) but the second school says they can only give me a contract and guaranteed hours that will not be more than a total of 30 hours between the two schools- so they can guarantee me 15 (but will give me more, they say, but untaxed illegal which is really how I would prefer the job entirely!)
I imagine that the first school has given the govt something saying that I am going to work at least 14 hours as that's the minimum, but now the second school won't give me the 20 that I want. Does anybody know if that's correct? I want 20 hours guaranteed so I get more holiday pay dammit!
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[clark.w.griswald]

[izzyismydog]

They will pay for whatever hours they guarantee, plus more for overtime. They are sortof salary but sortof not, I guess. Generally a teacher will teach about 80 to 90 hours and get paid for 100, so some prep is paid plus a weekly meeting and paperwork. Some other work if deemed necessary but they seem pretty slack overall. So the guaranteed hours would benefit me greatly when it comes holiday time, and since they will give me close to 20 if I am paid for 20 and working 17 I am making more money than if I am paid for 15 with 2 hours overtime.
You dig?

[Ki]

Sorry I don"t dig

Are you sure that you get paid for holidays? What you get promised by a school and what you actually get often differ You may be lucky to get a week of paid holiday leave at Chinese new year if you have a salary but that"s about it Best to get a per hour wage and sort out your holidays on your own

[izzyismydog]

That's what the boss, the contract, and the long term employees (one for 3 years) there all say. It's true and I am generally not a sucker and I believe it, mostly. She makes the contract to beneficial to both herself and her employees. My last school in Taiwan also made and met certain promises, so I have some faith in my ability to pick schools and judge character. This school is one of those weird schools, not your average bushiban. I actually just walked out of one school after a week because they felt a bit too dodgy and had a bad "salary" situation by coming to this school instead.

To stop the confusion then, let's call it a monthly salary, but with no office hours unless it's to fill up your contracted hours. I am aware of the whole "Salary" vs. "hourly" thing here. The holiday is only one week of at CNY but there's also two off in the summer between terms. She wants a dedicated employee as the planning is different than any other school, and can potentially take up a lot of one's own time but it's easy enough material for me to work with as it's actually American elementary curriculum and books, and I have a teaching degree and experience and the instinct needed to make the best of something like that.

Anyways, does anybody know: what are the maximum hours one can work, according to one's work permit or whatever paperwork will stipulate the maximum working hours? She will be my second employer so according to her she can only guarantee me what the first school hasn't scarfed up yet.

[timmyjames1976]

You need both schools on your ARC. They both have to issue seperate work permits. Unless they are both listed on your ARC one is illegal, so your question about hours is technically moot.

[izzyismydog]

That is the question- how many hours can I be provided with in total from two separate schools when legally working for them both?

I will have the second school registered as soon as the first one finishes my paperwork. The first is currently processing my papers (ARC etc) and then the second school will proceed with their part (unless I am able to convince them just to keep me illegally so I won't have to pay tax!) and I need to know how many hours the second school can give me, legally, and put on my ARC or work permit or whatever they put them on, because apparently there is a maximum number of hours one can legally be working between two schools and they think it's only 30. And the first school (despite only giving me 8 hours) is going to have to put 14 or 15 hours down on their paperwork, I guess... SO according to records I will be working that many hours and can't then (maybe?) work 20 at the second school.

thanks.

[clark.w.griswald]

Sounds like you have a pretty good deal at that school. Well done.

[izzyismydog]

I've seen enough of your postings to think you've got your head on right, but all this two school stuff is new to me!

thanks a lot!

[Pop Fly]

She does bring up a good point. Do both schools have to gaurantee a minimum of 14 hours?

[clark.w.griswald]