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[dandan]

Please be nice to poor Auntie Bertie. She is lonely and unloved and finds the real world a scary and confusing place. It's not her fault she's not equipped to operate in the real world, if only that nice Mr. Chomsky would write an academic treatise explaining how it all works.
We told the UK government this is what would happen when they introduced care in the community, but would they listen? No, and now poor Auntie Bertie is forced to wander around in the outside world muttering to herself and soiling her underpants.

[Cobra]

Be very careful now because your ignorance of business, corporate structure and franchise relationships is showing.

A franchise pays a franchise fee to the parent or licensing company.

If you work for a franchise, you are the employee of the franchise. If you work for the parent company or licensing company then you would not be teaching for the franchise.


If you are teaching for the franchise then your legal and ethical obligations are to the franchise.

Well I am not going to say more Dr. B. because like I said earlier, teachers should just worry about teaching and stay out of the Chinese way of doing business. It is none of your business.

[Bertrand]

[Bertrand]

[Cobra]

If you do not like EF's way of doing business, stay away from them. That is pretty simple.

If you want to avenge the wrong done to 16 prior EF employees, get their written authority to hire a class action lawyer to represent them.

But you sir should mind your own business and stay out of EF's business.

[Bertrand]

[Number 6]

I know of a lot of people who have gotten into problems over this scam. I think it is utterly disgusting that English First - a huge company, but which is but a small part of an even larger group, Education First - allows its teachers to have become part and parcel of open fraud.

In fact, they are getting rid of the EFACS system and are attempting to bring in a new system as - basically - EVERY school was doing this and EF thought it was losing too much! (Not a mention in their memo about all the poor teachers that have been branded and sacked over refusing to become thieves though!)

PM me Bertie for more details (I have copies of the memos from Shaghai).

[Number 6]

[Number 6]

[Roger]

Yes, Bertrand, all your cases are watertight, and we are only waiting for the valiant defender of IP rights to give these EFaces/EFarters a big shove and push. Why don't you do just that?
There was that case between an American TOEFL test copyrights holder and a school called New Oriental English in Peking, widely reported by the media, including the SCMP in Hong Kong; the school copied and reused the same materials that had been sold to them by the Americans well past the shelf life of the tests (if I remember the case well enough!). You can imagine how profitable it is if schools pay a publisher for the right to use a copyrighted book for 2 years, but in actual fact use it for 3 years. An extra profit of 50%. Did the offended party get their rights restored, compensation paid and were the duplicitous practices stopped? No one knows - there was a case before court, but no publicity obtained on the outcome of the case. Interesting, huh?

I would say that a franchising company that collects royalties from foreign partners has its own obligation to check on its partners' business ethics and practices. If they sell their brand-name to anybody who simply stumps up the cash required by EF, then they should only blame themselves for having a potentially rotten apple in their basket, one who cheats on anybody who crosses their path - students, teachers and foreign franchising companies!
Why be so angry with teachers only?

[Cobra]

OK call me rude but will those of you with an MBA and 10 years of business experience, three in Asia, please continue to post in judgment of EF; and will the rest of you please post on a thread where you may arguably have some expertise?

I have never worked for EF and have no plans to ever do so, even though they once offerd me a supervisory position in China.

The naive crybabies posting here remind me of the famous Wuhan five you quit their jobs at Delter Wuhan to address "sleeze" by Bing Liang.

They claimed that Delter's students were being lied to and ripped off and that staff and teachers were not treated properly. They quit to expose these atrocities although their posted letter is full of actual lies. (Like they all left at the same time. One quit two weeks earlier claiming his father died and he needed to return to England. In reality he had opened his own school across town with his Chinese girlfriend.) So much for the integrity of the complainants.

Delter is still in business in Wuhan. Business remains strong and their practices have not changed. So what did the five accomplish? They lost decent jobs over principles that only mattered to them. WOW what an accomplishment!

Complaining here about things that may not even be correctly perceived accomplishes little more than the Wuhan 5 accomplished. Oh you may scare a teacher away from a job they may have fit into very well but little more will be accomplished by the irrational rants of this forum.

Next year this time, EF will still be here and you may not be anywhere around. Any bets?

Spend as much time improving your teaching methods as you spend criticising other people's business. You just may become a better teacher.

I really have no use for people who know nothing about business judging and complaining about business practices they do not understand.

Try looking up "fraud" before throwing it around like dirty laundry. You may be surprised.

[Bertrand]

[Cobra]

From the China job related thread of similar superflous chatter:

[dduck]

[Cobra]

Dear Mr. Duck we should both remember that you are "daffy" and not crusader rabbit.