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[arioch36]

Roger, it is good to clarify your definitions. Now how would I be able to respond to your definition of rape, which still isn't very clear. So I can only reply to the dictionary meaning, or the legal meaning for countries, not your friend said this or that.

I still haven't seen your definition of rape. If you disagree with the legal or dictionary definition, perhaps you should supply your definition. Isn't this what you would tell your students, teacher?

Your story seems to equate being in a bad relationship with being raped. Such a person can get up and leave, file for divorce. Has many potential things they can do. If she prevents you from sleeping, get a hotel room while your divorce is pending. Someone put a gun to his/your head and forced the marriage? The person made a mistake, and had bad judgement in the person they married? This is rape? I am sorry, I do have a problem with your "defintion" of rape.

First you equate prostitution with eating too much sugar. Now rape is as common as a boyfriend and girlfriend/husband wife being on the outs. The rape victim doesn't have the chance to walk out of the house, Roger.






Roger, you can check your posts. You have lied. Several times you said I said things that I never came close to saying. This is a factual . Nothing personal, but factual. What would you do if your students acted that way? I know because you have said what you think about such things in some of your posts. And you always rant against your Chinese student's inability to speak logically or objectively.

So you are a free-thinker? Obviously a free-thinker who gets mad at anyone who doesn't think your way. You have lied. But I never attacked you personally your thoughts are different then mine. But you consistently do this. First I am a Nazi, then feminist, now I am holier than thou. Why? Becuase I don't agree with you?
Who is the person upset at any one having a different point of view? You are that person Roger. You call yourself a freethinker, then attack (and misquote) a person who disagrees with you. Again, I have read your threads disparaging Chinese for doing what you now do.

[arioch36]

Uh, prostitution arrests are quite common. Just look in the police blotter. My hometown in Albany,NY, not so many people. Everyday I look on the news, their is usually a prostitution bust, equalled in number by guys exposing themselves. All, unfortunately, quite common.

Mayor Rudi, New York City, one of the first priorities was to crack down on this stuff, especially in Times Square. Now instead of prostitution, you have the Disney Store.

Of course I get most of my info from Bad boys Bad boys, what you gonna do.


Interesting, if prostitution was so fine and dandy, why don't the husbands / boyfriends tell their sweetheart about it?

"Honey, I'm going down to the local massage parlor for a rub down, got 30 bucks?" The man who has no money for child support still has money for this

Now we are equating gambling and prostitution with riding a bike?

Gambling and prostitution both are addictive behaviours for many. For those who have more serious problems, lying, cheating stealing are often associted behaviours. The cost to government for the aftermath of these behaviours is enourmous. Our tax money.

Gee, I haven't seen too many bike riding prevention centers. Where was that bike riding crisis unit again, Joe?

Now that the welfare rules have changed some in the US, fewer prostitutes are having children for public assistance, thankfully. But their drug and alcohol rehab costs are enourmous, as well as the treatment for STD's and AIDS, at taxpayer expense...the John usually doesn't stick around to volunteer to pay for this stuff.

How much does the government pay to bike riders past their prime?

[guty]

Ugh, Disney, now thats a crime

[Joe C.]

[Roger]

Chris,
I want to reply to you kindly, yet in the same kind as you did. Isn't that a contradiction?

In my view, our major difference is your being so judgmental. So I am a "liar". Thanks, Mr Pastor, for being so accurate and honest and frank with me, but I can't agree with you there, not by any stretching of my imagination. Yes, I could go back to the relevant passage in which I may have misquoted you (but I have not quoted you verbatim, as far as I remember), and possibly, I would see what you saw - a difference between what you wrote, and what I made it to be. Such discrepancies alone are not sufficent for one person to declare another a 'liar'. For me, lying is a wilful and intended distorting of known truths, not something that happens inadvertently. Prove my evil intentions if you can!
I do remember I said "calling me a liar is worse than calling someone a prostitute". You disagree, but that explains the dilemma we are facing here: you are disparaging prostitutes by disagreeing with me when I say that for me to be a liar is worse than to be a prostitute. I MEAN THIS!
I know that Christian fundamentalists get worked up about those 'immoral' girls; not me. Perhaps not you. You elect to be politically correct, declaring them 'victims'. Maybe many are, I would believe that. Equally, many are not, but that's a matter of faith. It is apparently good policy these days to be more sensitive: prostitutes are 'victims'! So are drug addicts, boozers - pass the buck, society is always at fault!
Anyway, I do take it very personally when someone labels me a 'liar'. A liar has no conscience, no qualms about doing harm to others or exploiting the innocence of his fellow people. I am afraid, this description does not fit me!

And, I don't understand what bikes have to do with the ongoing debate on prostitution!

[chinasyndrome]

[arioch36]

Interesting Roger, you say I am so judgmental. If I quote something from a study, you say you don't care about studies. Now how is it possible that I am judgmental and you are not?

You say on one hand that prostitution is just a business decision like any other. But in many of your posts and threads you speak in derogatory terms about such women. Unless "those tarts" is not a negative term. You say it is my bigotted western morality that says prostitution is bad. You talk about how there are some policemen who did it for extra money, and how that's cool. Then you consider it an insult if your mother is called a hooker

When you don't like the legal or dictionary definition of rape, you casually discard it, but don't offer a replacement definition. This from a teacher who criticizes the ethics and academic and intellectual ability of Chinese students?

You equate two partners arguing with the traumatizing experience of a young girl or old girl or boy who has a man force her down, and do things totally against her will?

You say I am judgmental, and then in most all of your threads include some phrase to deliberately insult me, and you say you believe in free thinking, and letting people speak their mind? I am a Nazi, a feminist, a Christian, whatever group you like to hold as being not a good as you. This is the kind of rationale dialogue you claim Chinese are incapable of?

Look up the dictionary defition of lying. It does not surprise me you haven't bothered looking at what you actually wrote. Even Sunaru wrote his disbelief of your logic. But of course, he is a feminist or something, right? And by calling someone a label, it is okay to disregard what you say or what I actually say. yeah, that's the ticket!

If you look at your posts, you will see several times you say things in the vein of.
"You, CHris, succeed in presenting an entire half of humanity as being the helpless victims of the other half!"

Where did I ever do this Roger? I said all women were prostititutes? No Roger, that is your argument. You argue that woman looking to get married are just prostitutes. But then you get mad at the logical conclusion , that if so, then your mother must be a prostitute. And you decry the Chinese student's emotionalism and lack of logic. You decry their laziness. Of course your standard answer is to say you are too lazy to look up what you wrote. So I have to do it for you? This kind of statement is a lie, a deliberate misfabrication to serve your own self interest.


You laugh at the Chinese students because they won't do any research, or think past their own experience, or what people tell them. But you say things such as

"I disagree with you in your claim that girls usually are coerced into it. This just isn't true in my book. It may be true in some nicely-arranged and cooked stats and studies.
As said before, Chris, you have a judgmental problem, you don't want to come to grips with the fact that prostituion is not what you make it to be. "

Why gee Roger, show me anything that contradicts my "cooked" stats. Rather your response is to hurls insultive labels. What would you say if a Chinese student responded the way you do? Studies are to be found aplenty, before or after the feminist era, by all sorts of groups.

And while I address your questions, I'm still waiting for the the answer to my questions to you. One of your big responses is that I am trying to enforce my western morality on China. I am not sure of the logic of this. By me talking to foreigners, how am I forcing my morality on Chinese?

Again, Roger (I use your name, not insults or taunts, as a teacher, you think that is the way it should be done? What do you write in your threads of complaints about chginese students. I have read them)

Again , Roger, I would ask the same question. How can you say this is about western morality or Christianity. Which religions and cultures consider prostitution to be okay? No, istead you rely on the PC jingoism, bad western people, bad christian, seeing how it is safe for you to attack these groups.

Come on Roger, you're a world traveller. You go around attacking and insulting me, but never answer the question. You are the one who calls these women "tarts" but in the same breath say there is nothing wrong with prostitution.

Obviously a week with too much time on my hands. And you can toss away my questions the way most PC people do, applying some insultive label to me. If that is the kind of person you want to be, you want your students to be, keep on doing it, if it is what you are as a person.

[Cobra]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,1008607,00.html

[VC]

I think that Chris should refrain from personal attacks and accusing people of lying. A quote from the previous article that Cobra posted-

"I think there are now far more children being brought in to the UK for domestic labour and childcare. Everything that's happening here, it's a replication of what's happening over there.

"If people can use children for domestic slaves in Africa, there's no reason why they can't use them in the UK. They think of the expense of paying a nanny. These are people just like me, lawyers, dentists, professional people. They feel you can trust a child, they are not going to run away. It's very covert in nature."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,2763,1008607,00.html

So should domestic labor and childcare be outlawed?