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Panther33



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Teacher different levels at the sametime Reply with quote

Very Happy Hello all, this is my first post. Just wanted some advice on teaching two students of differing abilities at the sametime. One is a intemediate user and the other fairly advanced (aparently she is an english teacher herself). I am not sure what she exactly wants, maybe conversation practice.

How would you take a lesson with this setup. Would you give them different work and alternate, or would you make them come at different times. I am leaning towards the last option as it would be much easier, and I would rather do a good job for both then a half ass one.

The reason they would prefer to be taught together is that they have a semi long car ride to get to my town.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher different levels at the sametime Reply with quote

Panther33 wrote:
Very Happy Hello all, this is my first post. Just wanted some advice on teaching two students of differing abilities at the sametime. One is a intemediate user and the other fairly advanced (aparently she is an english teacher herself). I am not sure what she exactly wants, maybe conversation practice.

How would you take a lesson with this setup. Would you give them different work and alternate, or would you make them come at different times. I am leaning towards the last option as it would be much easier, and I would rather do a good job for both then a half ass one.

The reason they would prefer to be taught together is that they have a semi long car ride to get to my town.



generally I would avoid having students of different levels studying together becuase you can only teach at one level at the time. Either its too easy for the advanced or too hard for the lower student.

Something you may want to try is peer-teaching. what this means is you get the advanced student helping you in the lesson to teach the lower level student. rather than relying on hearing 'native speaker' she can learn from 'advanced non-native speaker, which is also a good role model. She (it is a she isnt it?) will be more motivated if she sees her friend speaking at a higher level and will try harder than think becoming 'native' is out of reach. The advanced student will get a sense of satisfaction out of being able to transfer some of her knowledge and skills to the other student, even though shes not a formal 'teacher'. She knows how to speak English though and even advanced students sometimes underestimate their knowledge and ability to others.

Incorporate the higher student more in the lesson and get her helping the lower one during dialogs, doing explanations, speaking English etc.

There is quite a bit on the web about peer-teaching if I recall.

http://www.nwrel.org/scpd/sirs/9/c018.html
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with trying to have one help the other. I've taught private lessons in that situation, and it was impossible. The higher level person got frustrated and gave up. He always felt it was MY job to help the lower level person. OTOH, the lower level person always begged and whined for leniency and felt ashamed at being so much lower than his/her friend.

My wife was in a similar situation herself as a private lesson student with one of her best friends. The brash teacher said he could teach both of them. Two lessons later, they both quit because he couldn't.

Teach them separately. Have one doing homework or drills while you teach the other, then vice versa. Teaching conversation doesn't have to skip the written end of things. Vocabulary quizzes are good for review, too, during that time. Most people don't seem to put in the time for vocab review on their own, so this would help.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I disagree with trying to have one help the other. I've taught private lessons in that situation, and it was impossible. The higher level person got frustrated and gave up. He always felt it was MY job to help the lower level person. OTOH, the lower level person always begged and whined for leniency and felt ashamed at being so much lower than his/her friend.


This is true. The strong student will become frustrated pretty fast. If the difference between them is not very great, you might ask them to perform different tasks with the same material. I'll give you examples in a few minutes. Be right back.
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually one of the most common problems in the class. In fact, you could never have two students with the same abilities, and levels are always a joke because very few people have a reliable and valid criteria for placing students. The trick is to get material that could be used for people with different abilities.

If it's a question of grammar, it is worthwhile to keep in mind that grammar is not linear: you can teach any piece of grammar to anyone with almost any ability in English.

If it's a question of reading activity, then the strong student can, for example, retell a story in as much detail as possible while the weak one can only summarize it. Of course, there is a whole methodology that goes with this. If you are interested, pm me.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:52 am    Post subject: different levels Reply with quote

I would usually recommend not to teach them together, but since you have special circumstances where they know each other and are coming together...

One possibility is the earlier review session/homework self study option for one while you teach the other (of course, you should rotate who goes first). One possible problem with this is that it may take up too much time for the students, i.e. 2x the study time.

If you do teach them together, some peer teaching is possible, but don't do to much. Many students, as alluded to before, think it's your job to teach. Try and have the higher level student expand more on various aspects, fill in on summaries after the weaker student goes first, etc. Also you will find that students may vary in different skill areas, so that the stronger student mat not always be the same person!

You may also give them different in-class work, but you do need to be careful with doing that as it requires more class management skills and may be confusing with students unable to talk about the same topics together in most cases. Doing this with written work, of course allows you to have them write at their own respective levels.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would usually recommend not to teach them together, but since you have special circumstances where they know each other and are coming together...

In my opinion, it doesn't matter in the least. DON'T teach them together. See what I wrote about my own wife in this situation. It flopped miserably. And, I have personal experience doing the teaching side of things in a situation like this, too. Bad. Bad.[/list]
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eslHQ



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this advice here.
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Although I think it's a good idea to sometimes pair high & low students together, I don't think it's a great to use this system 100% of the time. It benefits the lower level student far more than the higher level student. I think 2 low level students can still get through pair work, as much as they can handle in a given time and 2 high level students together could challenge themselves much more, get more done, in the same given time.

Multi-level listening activity
Another type of activity you could try would be to read something out loud (a short anecdote, say) or play something from a cassette (a short conversation, let's say) and have all students write down 3 important facts/ ideas that they have heard. Anything at all, but 3 things each. Lower level student will catch some simple points, higher level student will catch more details. Then students could pair off to compare their notes, then the pairs could join up...

Anyway, the point is that you can have one source of language and think of activities to allow open answers through a range of levels (as opposed to closed correct/incorrect answers).

Hope this helps.

Sorry, not mine. wish it was... Sad
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