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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1022 Location: Australia, previously China
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Roger 'n Millie. |
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Having just succeeded in having another thread locked [view Ningbo EF thread], could Roger and Millie please brawl via PM, rather than in public.
But PM's don't count as posts, do they.  |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree.
I am not sure what their history is, but surely posts that are not relevant to the topic thread and so personal in nature should just be deleted from the board rather than being allowed to derail legitimate discussions. I can't see that the exchanges between those two add anything to this board and as such they should either be taken to PM or just removed completely from the board. (Not the people, just their posts!)
Roger does offer a lot on this board and keeps things lively.
I haven't seen much from Millie though, except for following Roger around the board and making personal slights against him. Maybe Millie should concentrate more on posting information that might help others, rather than attacking others! |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1022 Location: Australia, previously China
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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A quick spin through the archives shows Roger as the final poster on 3 out of the last 5 "locked" threads on the two China forums, and penultimate poster on another.
Why?
But relax folks: he ain't goin' nowhere, to slightly misquote Bob Dylan. |
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Brian Caulfield
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| I like em both . Millie has PMed me many kind words when I was down about my job . Chill Mario you'll be able to read your posting when Roger publishes his book. He'll probably dedicate a chapter to you along with Old Dog . |
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millie
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 413 Location: HK
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Hello Super Mario Clark W, Brian and anyone else who is reading,
Clark suggests that Roger posts useful information and among his prolific number of posts he certainly does.
I often agree with what he says and would support his observations.
I know that he does help people too. Wonderful, really.
Unfortunately among that prolific corpus is a very significant amount of �information� which purports to be genuine but which is cobbled together from guidebooks, internet searches and maps or other such second had sources. Just imaginings and fantasy. His posts about the weather Harbin and Russian visas in Shenyang are recent examples.
Next, we often get a swathe of text from Roger about how wonderfully well loved and what a successful teacher he is, even a lady�s man too. Given the above scenario, it does make you wonder more than a little about what the underlying reality is. I have not commented on these posts but it seems to me that Roger has a certain undeniable proclivity for self-promotion.
In an extensive post about his qualifications Roger told us about his high school education and his one undergraduate degree. Later, much much later, he �remembered� he had a �TESOL� too.
In light of the former trait, I found this more than curious�
Roger attempts to suggest that he is a native speaker. I agreed that is not essential as a teacher of English but at least let�s be honest about it.
I later made the point that I need to trust teachers at both a personal and professional level.
You may not think that�s important. You may also take at face value everyhting that Roger suggests as untainted fact and direct experience.
My purpose was to suggest to others on this board that all that glitters in not gold.
Anyway, Super Mario, you are right of course and I do have more worthwhile things to do.
Thank you and I shall not have anything more to say in this vein.
Cheers
M |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1022 Location: Australia, previously China
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| . Chill Mario you'll be able to read your posting when Roger publishes his book. He'll probably dedicate a chapter to you along with Old Dog . |
Roger's going to publish a book? With me andOld Dog?
I think I'd rather drink from a baboon's bladder than read it. Truly. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Super Mario Clark W, Brian and anyone else who is reading,
Just imaginings and fantasy. His posts about the weather Harbin and Russian visas in Shenyang are recent examples.
In an extensive post about his qualifications Roger told us about his high school education and his one undergraduate degree. Later, much much later, he �remembered� he had a �TESOL� too.
You may not think that�s important. You may also take at face value everyhting that Roger suggests as untainted fact and direct experience.
My purpose was to suggest to others on this board that all that glitters in not gold.
Thank you and I shall not have anything more to say in this vein.
M |
I wouldn't reply here but since "millie" has done so, I seem to be under obligation to set certain records right.
Whether I have a TESOL or not is, I believe, totally unimportant, and the fact that I remembered it after posting my initial contribution can be intyerpreted in any which way you or I like; to me, a TESOL that you obtain while doing summer camp and being assessed by your trainer/teacher colleagues is not that big a deal. My teaching skills were honed much earlier during linguistics courses; one part of it was to run a specialised course in a matter related to linguistics (in my case, comparative etymology).
The most intriguing aspect of that thread was, however, that "millie' barged into a friendly discussion by attacking me without contributing anything any posters were discussing.
Now you can all doubt my quals if you like, but I will say what I think to be true for myself; if I am to be doubted then so is "millie', and so are many others! In the final analysis, my employer, and they alone, decide whether I am suitable or not. I have been "suitable" now to several employers in China including Hong Kong over the past ten-odd years. What has "millie" said about himself or herself in the matter? Can we trust "millies" accusations against me of being a fantasist?
What privilege does "millie" have to be allowed to hound others ruthlessly, casting aspersions and depicting them in the most disreputable way?
I am not sure how "millie"s enmity towards me began, but I seem to remember a thread in which someone - most likely "millie" - took me to task for suggesting that a new arrival to XIAMEN should take a bus from Shenzhen to that city rather than to travel via Guangzhou. As I said, I am not totally sure that attack came from "millie", but I believe it did!
Anyway, as anyone can easily find out, the shortest way to Xiamen from Hong Kong is via Shenzhen, then along the eastern Guangdong coast to Xiamen. I was never able to convince that poster, of course, but nor can I prove that I have travelled to almost every place in China - "millie" will continue to bad-mouth me. Weather in Harbin - ha! I didn't mention the Russian consulate in Shenyang, but who cares whether "millie" is laying on?
It is not a coincidence that another poster surfaced - "gauche touche" (his posts have been deleted!). Is it coincidence that gauche-touche is an "Australian" who some time ago PMed me letting off his or her "intelligence" according to which I am a "drifter" who came to China "in search of paid work"...
What intrigued me the most is that I had seen such claims being offered to the gullible in that now defunct website "machinecat.com", and the people making such wild allegations were wellknown to many here before some were suspended or banned.
One of these interesting posters had himself a difficult-to-follow biography: an Australian (again), sometimes based in "Kunming" (as a teacher), then a medical emergency that required repatriation to, of all places, the U.S. of A. Then he was back here again, a wise old (he would occasionally poke fun at his impotence) and experienced man with a son and a Chinese wife (but probably not in China).
That guy was told by me in no uncertain terms that "character assassination" attempts on me would go just so far as I can tolerate them - beyond which there could be the retributive forces of a legal action!
Why is it that that poster, "millie" and "gauche touche" have virtually identical diction in their posts? And why is it that all three of them seem to thrive on one thing mainly: the persecuting of posters that for one reason or antoher have earned their unlimited wrath?
All three of them know each other in person - or are one person using different handles. In their latest attacks they used vile hints that narrow down their number to a handful of guys; I know 3 guys who have been fired by a certain Guangzhou university; I also know why! Now they are trying to turn the table by bad-mouthing that university?
And why does "millie" never post in the Hong Kong forum since he or she supposedly lives there?
It's up to everybody to come to their own conclusions about such characters! |
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ich bin ein laowai
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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