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goose



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: College and University!! Reply with quote

Currently I am working at a college, next term I am going to be working at a university. What I would like to know from people that have worked at both, what are the differences between the two?

Now I know at a college they study for 3 years and university they study for 4 years. Also the students with be the same age, but what about the motivation of the students towards English classes? I found that at the college half the class wasn't interested in being there, they just come because they had to. Is this the same at a university? Am I dreaming when I ask, at a university will all the students be motivated
studying English?

Also will the university students English be of a higher level?
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Roger



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: College and University!! Reply with quote

goose wrote:

Also will the university students English be of a higher level?


Say, pray, why would that be??? Isn't it obvious that the longer they attend English classes done by Chinese instructors the dumber they become?
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Super Mario



Joined: 27 May 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually the difference comes down to their entrance exam results. One weak subject will see them going to college. Often, that subject is English: you've witnessed the outcome. But not always. I had a number of very capable English speakers in college classes, especially in commerce related majors.

I doubt you'll notice a lot of difference unless you're teaching English majors.
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I worked at a university and this year I am at a college.

It was a so-called second-tier government university. Only English majors had lessons with foreign teachers; 30 students per class. I don't know whether this is the same at all government universities.

I taught "English for Education" and "English for Business" classes (9 + 1); 9 freshman classes and 1 sophomore class. The English ability of my freshman students was far superior to the third year college students I am now teaching. Also, their motivation / enthusiasm / participation was 10 times that of my college students.

I'm not having behavioral problems with my college students, but they are more challenging to teach and lesson plans need more thought and time to prepare. Still, the almost 50% increase in salary makes up for it.
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pc-pocket



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: College and University!! Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
Isn't it obvious that the longer they attend English classes done by Chinese instructors the dumber they become?


�My� Uni offered an 8 days training courses to outside English local teachers.
I briefly interviewed one them about new techniques that he would have learned within those 8 days ...
- "Yes, they told us to listen to the students..."
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tw



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to hijack the thread but since we are on the subject concerning colleges, does anyone still teach at a, or knows someone who teaches at a "junior college", i.e. college where students are there because they couldn't get into a senior middle school due to low entrance exam score, or at a college where there are junior college students? I was told last night by a Mongolian co-worker that as of couple years ago, China has abolished all junior colleges in order to "improve" the education system. I knew that the college I taught at in Qingdao for my first teaching job in China stopped enrolling junior college students as of last year, but I wasn't aware that it was an universal change across China.

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erinyes



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TW,

There is a junoir college in the town where we work called an Agricultural College. The students that graduate from there don't go on to University, they go to work.

I didn't know they were trying to abolish Junior Colleges, but if they were it woudn't mean anything in this town. There are no laws here.

Helen.


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pc-pocket



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
Not trying top hijack...


SPEAKKING ABOUT THAT...

When are we going to admire Lady TW's pics?
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tw



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erinyes wrote:
There is a junoir college in the town where we work called an Agricultural College. The students that graduate from there don't go on to University, they go to work.


OK, just so we don't confuse each other. My understanding is that there are/were two types of colleges in China (other than universities). One being "senior" college (大专) where students are there because they couldn't get into a university due to low entrance exam score after completing senior middle school, and the other being "junior" college (中专) but these being 16-19 year olds.
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erinyes



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote: