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[mick_luna]

in my experience, there is never anything remotely fair about sex, and i know i'm going to draw some judgmental comments for even bringing the subject up; but am taking the chance to get opinions re: where the nice ladies is at.

Where is your pick for friendliest women (not pros)?

so far, mine would be 1)solomon islands and 2) brazil, but i don't recommend working conditions in either of those places (although i'm told Sao Paulo is passable for work,though not nice to live).
Mick
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[Seeker of truth]

What do you mean by the term "nice ladies"? Are you looking at women as some kind of servant to your desires? Or are you really looking at true character? Is just physical appearance all that counts in your book, or are inner qualities (i.e. loyalty, integrity, etc.) also important?

[mick_luna]

well, first of all they should be hot ;0) Sexual attraction certainly plays a part, and passion and liberality. But kindness and humility certainly are factors. I'm not an egoist, i don't strut around like the master of the planet, and i don't like the arrogance and self-obsessed egocentrism i see all too much of in n. american big cities. i've seen some more appealing traits overseas, culturally, and i guess that's what i'm talking about.

[spiral78]

So you want a Jennifer-Lopez-look-alike who is kind, hot, and HUMBLE??!!

[Hector_Lector]

Are you a teacher, or just someone looking for a leg-over?

People who are teachers get into trouble with the mods for raising slightly cheeky topics connected with teaching.

[ls650]

[mick_luna]

i suppose if we were honest, we would all admit that we are interested in sex, love, etc., but being the cheeky, sophisticated monkeys we are, we like to pretend that we don't need anything or anyone. i suppose it is this arrogant sort of attitude i'm happiest to leave behind when i leave canada, although most big cities everywhere seem to run on this kind of pretension to one degree or another. i am human, and like other animals, i need to eat, sleep, **** and mate. I also like to create art, to work, to contribute to society, to be needed. I'm terribly odd, i realize that, i know noone else on this site needs any of those things, hence my initial disclaimer in the original post. In future, perhaps those offended by the mere notion of sexuality can report to a Homeland Security site, Code Red Perv Alert!

In the words of the great Bacharach: What the world needs now, is love, sweet love, not just for some, but for everyone.

[spiral78]

I'm not at all offended by the idea that relationships are important and interesting. But having lived in the Czech Republic and other European countries for the past eight years, I've noticed a common phenomena. It may not apply to you at all, but your post about ' hot and humble' rings a bell.

In the past, westerners carried a certain cache for Czech girls (I will use the CR for comparison since I have the most direct experience there, though my Bulgarian, East German,and Polish friends say the same things on this issue). It was implicitly assumed that western men were better-off financially, more sophisticated, probably better-educated and generally were considered to be good catches. Hence, they were pretty universally pursued by beautiful Czech girls. Those girls were raised in a culture where women generally took what westerners consider to be a more traditional role in a relationship (which can appear to be pretty 'humble').

But the tide has turned here: those girls now have strong enough English skills and have traveled, and they can recognize that many of those western guys are really just drifters. Not that there's anything wrong with being a drifter, but it used not to be so obvious to Eastern European women who were looking for someone to actually have long-term relationships with.

Their standards have changed; they generally look for guys who have more substance in terms of education, ambition, and etc. It's only fair, since those girls are themselves well-educated, hard-working, ambitious, and well-traveled. That's not arrogance - it's equality.

[mick_luna]

yeah, i agree with that, and i intended to imply that in my comments about the czech rep. It has been over-saturated by Westerners looking for a good time, flashing cash around. I think that it could still be good outside Prague, but one would definitely need to learn Czech.

also, i've been told the Czech Rep. is one of the more ambitious and snobby of the Slavic countries. I certainly saw the ambition in 99 and 2000, everyone working their *** off for their cell phone and car. I didn't find much of the 'Bohemian' environment i was looking for (it was explained to me that 'La Boheme' and the concept of Bohemia was about Gypsies, not regular Czechs)

I also think the central location of CR, with tons of germans and every other nationality coming in for tourism or business, has tended to corrupt it. Perhaps Ukraine, Bulgaria, or elsewhere offers more potential.

[Khrystene]

Russian women are cheap these days... and tourists are reluctant to travel there because of the extensive mafia... Ukrainian women are probably the next best bet, or Polish women in smaller towns...

Polish women are said to be the prettiest, they do cake on the make up a bit, and have been know to throw a great jealousy fit... So, it's up to you what kind of piece you're after...

[mick_luna]

so who do you like? what's your experience/observation? i take it you are finding what you like in Poland? have you been to the Ukraine or heard much about it?
I see ads for Polish teachers, one of the few ads for Europe, so i guess there is some demand. You're teaching there, what city? What are conditions like?
The earlier homophobe comment, is that something you've experienced there? i heard that bisexuality is common in the Ukraine, although i only heard that from one expat who lived there. That said, i heard someone claim that Vietnam was full of closet homosexuals, something very difficult to verify.

[Seeker of truth]

If you're really after a relationship with one of these East European women, a challenge presents itself. Sure, you can buy some quick term romance. But what about developing patience and persuasion? Could you get a girl to kiss you because she really liked you and really wanted to please you? Or do you have to rely on how much western money you have in your pocket?

Of course, the quality of the woman speaks for itself too.

[Khrystene]

Oh well, I guess the 'stench' of sarcasm that pervaded every word of my last comment was lost on the madding crowd...

[cks]

I have been living in the Czech Republic for almost a year and have been having trouble finding single men due to the fact that the Czechs are all married or with girlfriends. There is not really a such thing as the single bachelor here. Everyone seems to be too scared to live alone. I prefer to hold out for someone special rather than settle down with just anyone. The American female expats all have the same problem here no matter how beautiful,smart, intellligent, or wonderful we are. So, I need some advice as to a country with single men who are not still living in the 1950's. Impossible? I heard that Hungarian men are passionate, but I wonder if most of them are married as well. So, yes, I guess we all have our emotional and animalistic needs!

[mick_luna]

Hmmm, well CKS, my observations in Prague, Hanoi, Rio, and the Solomon Islands was rather different from what you are saying. American/European women in those places seemed to have more options than they did at home, as there are tons of expat men, lots of them making good money, well educated, cosmopolitan, charming, etc., to a much smaller ratio of single young women.

Local men too, seemed to be quite interested in Western women, although some of that was their glorification in Hollywood films and on MTV, and the perception that they were sexually promiscuous. I don't think many local men were keen on what they perceived as the imbalance of power the average woman in W.Europe and especially N.America has, or their sometimes more masculine attitudes.

However, Western men were often quite keen on having a girlfriend/wife with which they shared common culture and interests.
However, it sounds like you aren't interested in Western men. What are the reasons for that?

There was somewhat of a bias against expat men in most of the countries i lived in, to varying degrees. Vietnam was quite extreme that way, where most sexual contact with foreigners has been reduced to the strictly commercial. This is partly the perception that Western men are dodgy, they don't stay or marry locals, etc. This is the fault of a lot of sex tourists and other undesirables who, like the koala, just eats roots and leaves.

Those who made the effort to learn the local language could overcome this, although many were discouraged in their efforts to learn say, Vietnamese or Czech, by the complexity of the language and its lack of commonality with W.European languages, and/or by the reserve and anti-foreigner bias of many locals.

So there's a bit of a catch 22 there.

As for opportunities for a single Western women, go to Hanoi! i can't recommend that enough. There are all kinds of lonely expat men there.

I'm not sure why the CR is treating you badly. I new some American and English girls having a very good time there. One i knew there had more offers than she knew what to do with, from local and expat guys. But she was pretty and charming and very sociable (very sociable, if you know what i mean) and i suspect she would do well anywhere. of course she wasn't happy, she was a sexual compulsive and overindulged in a lot of substances. but certainly the opportunities were there.

it is tricky differentiating between what we can change personally, whether in our own selves, or by relocating to another culture, and what is outside of our control. we each have to work at that balance as best we can, i guess.