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cazy_v
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Location: Shenyang, Liaoning, China
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 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: Horrible Middle School in Shenyang |
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| Beware of the Shenyang Railway Experimental Middle School in Shenyang, Liaoning Province, China. They made MANY MANY promises, most of which were never kept. To name just a few, they promised us computers with internet access in our apartments, along with a telephone and phone line and watermachines. The only thing they gave us were the watermachines and we had to BEG for those! When we asked about renewing the visas they said we were on our own and it was our responsibility! I have no complaints about the teachers, they were great. The kids were happy and 99% were happy to have my classes. The school needs alot of work on chinese and foreign relationships if they want to have a good foreign-english program. I would not recommend going to teach at this school.[/b] |
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sigmoid
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Cool name for a rock band or what?  |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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What's a "watermachine"?
And, how long have you been "teaching" there? Maybe you should wait until they have completed those brand-new buildings for you so you can move from your tents to a real apartment! Ungrateful you! |
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thepreferrednomenclature
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: Beijing, Chaoyang
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger are you a tap drinker? Surely you know the water cooler in China is, in fact, nothing more or less than a 'watermachine'(饮水机). |
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spoony
Joined: 05 Oct 2005
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Location: Inner Mongolia
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Great name for a band.
Terrible name for a horse |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Australia, previously China
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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What's a "watermachine"?
And, how long have you been "teaching" there? Maybe you should wait until they have completed those brand-new buildings for you so you can move from your tents to a real apartment! Ungrateful you! |
Dumping on a newbie!
What a great way to affirm your [imagined] place in the pecking order!
However, to the OP, if the students and staff were 99% "good", it's hardly fair or accurate to label the school "horrible". Stick around and you'll know what I mean. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Dumping on a newbie!
What a great way to affirm your [imagined] place in the pecking order! |
What happen to the Report button?
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| However, to the OP, if the students and staff were 99% "good", it's hardly fair or accurate to label the school "horrible". Stick around and you'll know what I mean. |
For all we know, the OP is teaching in China for the first time and is possibly having culture shock. Maybe he should be a bit more patient with the employer instead of jumping to conclusion that the school is horrible. Yes, the visa situation does make the employer quite undesirable. But the OP failed to tell us what kind of visa he's on, and whether he is still working at the school. For all we know, his contract has ended and the employer feels that it is no their responsibility for renwing the visa since his employment term has ended. Perhaps the OP can elaborate further?
To Roger: you sure know how to make newbie feel welcomed, don't you? Didn't your mother teach you the concept that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all? What's with the "tent" comment? Just how did you know that the school is completing brand-new buildings? Maybe you should refrain from posting after a few too many glasses of those fancy red wine you fancy so much. We know you consider yourself the senior statesman here in the China forums. But believe it or not, many of us don't agree with many if not most of the things you say, or have stopped agreeing with anything you have to say a long time ago. |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Super Mario wrote:
Dumping on a newbie!
What a great way to affirm your [imagined] place in the pecking order!
What happen to the Report button? |
Because I'd be wasting my time! |
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Roger
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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the OP can elaborate further?
To Roger: you sure know how to make newbie feel welcomed, don't you? Didn't your mother teach you the concept that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all? What's with the "tent" comment? Just how did you know that the school is completing brand-new buildings? Maybe you should refrain from posting after a few too many glasses of those fancy red wine you fancy so much. We know you consider yourself the senior statesman here in the China forums. |
Your own mother hasn't taught you much that makes Biblical sense, has she? If you don't agree with me so be it, just don't make up points that have no foundation in facts - such as what I consider myself: you don't KNOW, buddy! And whether I drink "fancy red wine" or not is none of your business!
Why did I make that remark?
If the OP cannot stomach it then it's up to him to retort, not up to you!
What I find increasingly intolerable is the whining by people who make such generalisations and complain about being "lied to" when a little more forebearance on their part would have made it possible to accept the situation in which they found themselves.
I deem it a duty on the part of any newbie to make INFORMED decisions, not hasty conclusions. To whine about trifling matters such as having been "promised" (really?) a "watermachine" (really?) isn't a fair point; whether he needs that "watermachine" to wash his clothes (maybe it's a washing machine?) or a water dispenser - my goodness: there are ways to solve this problem without lambasting his employer! |
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LeiShan
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I agree that too many "westerners" come here and expect that they can just transpose their beliefs and values onto the Chinese system. When something doesn't work out the way they want, they are often too quick to scream foul! I have experienced many differences in China in comparison with other countries (I have lived in 5) but I have also found out that some patience usually works things out. And, that I am also responsible to adjust to China not just expect them to welcome me like some foreign dignitary..  |
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thepreferrednomenclature
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: Beijing, Chaoyang
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| I agree that too many "westerners" come here and expect that they can just transpose their beliefs and values onto the Chinese system. When something doesn't work out the way they want, they are often too quick to scream foul! |
Though I tend to agree, let's not be grandiose here. C'mon, he only wanted his freaking watermachine.* I think we can all agree it's a pretty darn useful little machine, especially in a country with unsanitary tap water. Hoping for that elusive watermachine as per the contract has left many an expat grasping at the proverbial 'small water bottles.'
Side note, it is a little known fact that the now worldly Leishan, five countries to his name, grew up on the eastside Chicago blacktop courts in a world of rusty iron rims and hoop dreams and when he balled it was always: no blood; no foul. I feel you Leishan. All these other foreigners are just a bunch of p-ss- -ss b-tch-s aren't they.
*(and phone line/internet) |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Roger wrote: |
| Your own mother hasn't taught you much that makes Biblical sense, has she? If you don't agree with me so be it, just don't make up points that have no foundation in facts - such as what I consider myself: you don't KNOW, buddy! And whether I drink "fancy red wine" or not is none of your business! |
Gee Rog, do I sense some hostility here or are you being defensive?
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What I find increasingly intolerable is the whining by people who make such generalisations and complain about being "lied to" when a little more forebearance on their part would have made it possible to accept the situation in which they found themselves.
I deem it a duty on the part of any newbie to make INFORMED decisions, not hasty conclusions. To whine about trifling matters such as having been "promised" (really?) a "watermachine" (really?) isn't a fair point; whether he needs that "watermachine" to wash his clothes (maybe it's a washing machine?) or a water dispenser - my goodness: there are ways to solve this problem without lambasting his employer! |
Then perhaps you should be a tad more diplomatic and a lot less hostile. Ever thought about questioning the OP's statements instead of jumping down his throat? Calling a newbie "ungrateful" is definitely not something I would ever expect from a Davester veteran. I have nothing good to say about my first employer. So I got free housing, does that mean I had to be grateful to them? After all, isn't it every employer's (especially public schools) responsibility to provide their FT's with SATISFACTORY living condition? What's wrong with asking for a water dispenser? If the FT is concerned about the local drinking water (face it not every FT lives in a city as developed as you do) and/or his system can't handle the local water even after being boiled (I have been told by locals here that I should be drinking mineral water instead of boiled tap [underground] water), shouldn't he have the right to ask for a water dispenser? |
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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Berkeley
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| What I find increasingly intolerable is the whining by people who make such generalisations and complain.... |
This is a bit odd, coming from the chief whiner and complainer about the Chinese and about teaching in China. Roger's complaints and over-generalisations about the Chinese could fill several volumes. |
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Louras
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: Newbie bashing |
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While teaching kindergarten some years back we were instructed on kids craving attention. This attention could be positive (Well done!) or negative (Stop hitting Rambo!). Engaging in conversation (or arguing with a fool - as we all do)with Roger is satisfying his craving for attention. It always was and always will be.
Why is it whenever a newbie (or not) (me included) complains about something it is always his own fault? If something was promised by a school and later denied then that is reason to feel cheated. End of story. Period. Dealing with it is difficult, especially if you are new here and not aware that this is how schools operate. (Ok Clarkie and Rog - most schools) Better advice would be to help with ways to deal with it. So here is my advice. Be warned that you will not be happy with many things the school does to you. There is not much you can do, in most cases, unless it is really serious. Try and concentrate on the positives - there usually are quite a few although it is difficult to see when your mind is clouded by the negatives. It takes time, but you will be able to deal with things. Good luck! |
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Roger
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I believe some of you guys simply give too much credit to anyone saying his employer cheated him! And if you can accidentally spell the name of a school it helps fill a new thread and keep it alive for weeks! Who knows whether the OP is a hoaxster? That doesn't matter, does it?
Grapevine stories are always better than real life stories, or so it would seem! |
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