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ls650
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| denise wrote: |
| Maybe I�m just being really thick, but don`t points 1 and 2 contradict each other? |
I assume he meant someone with a graduate degree in point 1. |
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khmerhit
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Gordon
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I think it is difficult to come up with myths about teaching because our experiences/countries/schools are so varied.
What are some of your expectations that you had prior to teaching that are so far off the mark from reality?
I really didn't have a clue that teaching could be so complex and that there are so many methods of teaching. |
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Deconstructor
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MYTH #1 Any kind of EFL teaching is taking place anywhere outside Anglophone countries in the world.
MYTH #2 Any kind of English learning is taking place anywhere outside Anglophone countries in the world.
MYTH #3 There is a single text worth using in the EFL/ESL industry, a text that is not an outright rip-off written by complete morons.
What a joke of a profession!!! The blind leading the blind over the precipice. |
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Kaspar Hauser
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| That somebody without a university education can call themself a teacher. |
And since when is "themself" a word? |
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Jizzo T. Clown
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What a joke of a profession!!! The blind leading the blind over the precipice. |
You're a "glass-is-half-empty" kind of guy, huh? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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What a joke of a profession!!! The blind leading the blind over the precipice. |
You're a "glass-is-half-empty" kind of guy, huh? |
He lives up to his name. |
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Deconstructor
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What a joke of a profession!!! The blind leading the blind over the precipice. |
You're a "glass-is-half-empty" kind of guy, huh? |
I have taught in four continents. All I saw was incompetence. DOSes whose egos were monumental enough not to be able to admit to themselves that they couldn't put two English words together; "teachers" who got their "certificates" in "Makeshift Upstairs Teaching School"; PhD�s who couldn't cut it in the West and there they were; alcoholics, mental cases, people running away from debt and God knows what else. The rest were like me: trying to see the world as cheaply as possible and for whom teaching was the last thing on their minds, a means to an end. What a lost bunch. I never met a teacher.
Then there were the students for whom learning English was also the last thing on their minds, and it was also a means to an end, the end being let's drool over Western faces.
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khmerhit
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Justin Trullinger
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Dear Lemmings,
At least we're having a good time! But honestly. I don't think I could have lasted this long if I felt that neither learning or teaching were taking place. Last night, I went to a movie with a student, in English, and she understood it! This person had ZERO level of English when she started studying here, two years ago.... |
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Deconstructor
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Dear Lemmings,
At least we're having a good time! But honestly. I don't think I could have lasted this long if I felt that neither learning or teaching were taking place. Last night, I went to a movie with a student, in English, and she understood it! This person had ZERO level of English when she started studying here, two years ago.... |
One can simply be exposed to English and still learn something, even from bulls*it. Learning means learning optimally and so does teaching. Wow! your student understood a pathetic American movie with grade 8 language. |
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Justin Trullinger
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| Wow! your student understood a pathetic American movie with grade 8 language. |
I don't recall disclosing the nationality of the movie in question. Nor the level of the student. And no, I don't believe you can tell. Not from my post, anyway.
If you want to be negative, that's your privilege. And personally, I always enjoy it. But try not to be so self contradictory.
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MYTH #2 Any kind of English learning is taking place anywhere outside Anglophone countries in the world.
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| One can simply be exposed to English and still learn something |
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Deconstructor
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
If you want to be negative, that's your privilege. And personally, I always enjoy it. But try not to be so self contradictory.
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MYTH #2 Any kind of English learning is taking place anywhere outside Anglophone countries in the world.
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There is no contradiction if you read my post closely. Teaching English means using proper methodology, using every minute to its full potential. Observing the textbooks out there and what one needs to do to become a teacher, neither optimal teaching nor learning is taking place. Even in Anglophone countries it's rare. |
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Justin Trullinger
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| Teaching English means using proper methodology, using every minute to its full potential. |
While my methodology is quite good, thank you, if teaching and learning mean that nary a minute is wasted, have any of you guys ever taught anything? Or learned anything? I frequently find that the minutes when airplanes pass to closely overhead are wasted, not mention the class days when riots block the streets...progress can still be made however.
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Justin |
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Mytime
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| The rest were like me: trying to see the world as cheaply as possible and for whom teaching was the last thing on their minds, |
Perhaps that would explain why optimal learning wasn't being achieved in your classes.
And this category of teachers is certainly no better than the others you derided. |
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