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mick_luna

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 115 Location: toronto
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: finding Bohemia: live/work for creatives |
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Any ideas on this? I have lived in Hanoi and Prague, but the latter was inundated with foreigners, forcing up prices and lowering work opps.,while Vietnam is good for work opps. and pay, low cost of living, but very conservative and xenophobic. I'm looking for somewhere friendly, with affordable real estate (like under 20,000 USD) and some means of sustenance (i am a visual artist/freelance writer/journalist and English teacher).Brazil and the Solomon Islands were lovely places, with very nice women (although Brazil is extremely stressful, violent, and still has slavery), but neither place is recommended for someone who has to work.
I am looking at Eastern/central Europe, outside Prague, and Newfoundland. Any other ideas or info would be most welcome.
i'm currently in toronto, which i don't recommend for the individual newbie. been here 3 years and anxious to get out.
cheers
Mick
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: finding Bohemia: live/work for creatives |
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mick_luna wrote: |
Any ideas on this? I have lived in Hanoi and Prague, but the latter was inundated with foreigners, forcing up prices and lowering work opps.,while Vietnam is good for work opps. and pay, low cost of living, but very conservative and xenophobic. I'm looking for somewhere friendly, with affordable real estate (like under 20,000 USD) and some means of sustenance (i am a visual artist/freelance writer/journalist and English teacher).Brazil and the Solomon Islands were lovely places, with very nice women (although Brazil is extremely stressful, violent, and still has slavery), but neither place is recommended for someone who has to work.
I am looking at Eastern/central Europe, outside Prague, and Newfoundland. Any other ideas or info would be most welcome.
i'm currently in toronto, which i don't recommend for the individual newbie. been here 3 years and anxious to get out.
cheers
Mick
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Judging by your anxiety to 'get out' of all those places, I doubt you would like ANYWHERE in East/Central Europe.... stay home, it's safer.  |
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mick_luna

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 115 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: helpful advice |
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please limit advice to constructive comments, life is enough of a struggle for many of us without derisory comments meant only to discourage. If you have had such wonderful experiences in Vietnam or Brazil, let me know, maybe i am totally off base. I actually did have some very good experiences in Brazil and Vietnam, which i didn't focus on, because i'm explaining why i couldn't make a life for myself there, and what wasn't a good fit for me.
I don't happen to have a 'home' as you mentioned; that's nice if you have one to go back to.
I take it you are a woman, Khrystene? That certainly makes a difference in your experience, but life is highly subjective, in case you haven't noticed. Each experience is very different, which is a good thing and a bad thing. My two friends, and next door neighbours, in the housing project i grew up in, who were, like me, childrend of single mothers, committed suicide very young. I, on the other hand, am still surviving, trying to carve out a life for myself, no thanks to people like you who would stamp me back into the ground. Life is a subjective experience, please don't judge someone before you've walked a mile in their shoes.
By the way, 'home' isn't safer if you no longer have one, or if you live in a welfare room on the downtown Eastside of Vancouver, the haunt of serial killers and the largest group of drug addicts, alcoholics, lunatics and AIDs infected people in N. America. I no longer live there, thank God. But don't assume things about me or my life that you have no idea about. Thank you |
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: helpful advice |
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mick_luna wrote: |
please limit advice to constructive comments, life is enough of a struggle for many of us without derisory comments meant only to discourage. If you have had such wonderful experiences in Vietnam or Brazil, let me know, maybe i am totally off base. I actually did have some very good experiences in Brazil and Vietnam, which i didn't focus on, because i'm explaining why i couldn't make a life for myself there, and what wasn't a good fit for me.
I don't happen to have a 'home' as you mentioned; that's nice if you have one to go back to.
I take it you are a woman, Khrystene? That certainly makes a difference in your experience, but life is highly subjective, in case you haven't noticed. Each experience is very different, which is a good thing and a bad thing. My two friends, and next door neighbours, in the housing project i grew up in, who were, like me, childrend of single mothers, committed suicide very young. I, on the other hand, am still surviving, trying to carve out a life for myself, no thanks to people like you who would stamp me back into the ground. Life is a subjective experience, please don't judge someone before you've walked a mile in their shoes.
By the way, 'home' isn't safer if you no longer have one, or if you live in a welfare room on the downtown Eastside of Vancouver, the haunt of serial killers and the largest group of drug addicts, alcoholics, lunatics and AIDs infected people in N. America. I no longer live there, thank God. But don't assume things about me or my life that you have no idea about. Thank you |
Sorry but I still think you won't find what you're looking for over here... it's tough, and I grew up in poverty too, and I still struggle with the culture of poverty here. Yes I'm female, and that fact ALSO makes life harder here... perhaps as a male, which I presume you are, you will have an easier ride here... but all of your comments about all those places were tinted with a touch of despair and anxiety. I just speak as I find. No apologies. End/ |
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mick_luna

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 115 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: helpful |
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hmmm, perhaps i should preface every posting with the message "HELPFUL, TOPIC SPECIFIC ADVICE ONLY PLEASE."
If you would like to give specific details, negative and/or positive, of your working/teaching experience in Poland, welcome. If you only want to give some extremely vague, and rather insulting comments about me, whom you seem to feel you know well based on the paragraph i wrote in the original posting, please refrain. I don't claim to know anything about you based on your comment, although it appears that you go out of your way to discourage people in need of information. I suggest you take out your negative feelings somewhere else. |
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: helpful advice - read my Signature, it may help... |
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mick_luna wrote: |
hmmm, perhaps i should preface every posting with the message "HELPFUL, TOPIC SPECIFIC ADVICE ONLY PLEASE."
If you would like to give specific details, negative and/or positive, of your working/teaching experience in Poland, welcome. If you only want to give some extremely vague, and rather insulting comments about me, whom you seem to feel you know well based on the paragraph i wrote in the original posting, please refrain. I don't claim to know anything about you based on your comment, although it appears that you go out of your way to discourage people in need of information. I suggest you take out your negative feelings somewhere else. |
Well it was neither vague nor meant to be insulting, as I said, it was merely an observation...
As for Poland, life is hard here for both foreigners and locals... i'm somewhere in the middle, being both a foreigner, and now making my life here and holder of Polish citizenship.
I don't go out of my way to discourage people, but you seem to have taken it as such. Come if you want to, by all means, but be aware that life is sometimes grey, bureacracy is a nightmare, people are more often than not unfriendly, well when you first meet them, and there's little hospitality in the shops you go to, until they get to know you. No falseness. Which I happen to like. THe government is Homophobic and conservative, the Church has found a new platform of late, and walks hand in hand with said government.
However, the arts scene is alive and well, and supported, at least by most average Poles I know. Be prepared to be asked hard probing questions. Be prepared to have good answers for them too... and even then be prepared to be told that your opinion is bullshit [especially older Poles] ...such things as politics, money, why the f**k you came here when you come from the West, etc...
Poles can be life long dedicated friends and compatriots, once you get past the cynicism.
Be prepared to be ripped off. See shit on the streets. Extreme poverty, well for Europe. [Though Russia is worse.] Rampant excesses of Capitalism. Students who refuse to say a word or answer your questions because they've been taught at school that if they can't say it Grammatically perfectly, they should not say it at all... My term: Polish Block.
Hm what else... Be prepared to meet yourself head on...
I try not to be vague. I hope this answers a few questions, and maybe brings up a few more.
Expect nothing and everything. Expect to fall in love.
I'd rather live here than in the USA. :!:ANYDAY:!: |
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: and... |
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Almost forgot, be prepared to meet the ugliest foreign tourists, just like in Prague... |
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mick_luna

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 115 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: thank you |
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that is exactly the kind of info i am looking for. it sounds quite similar to the Czech Republic, except for the poverty. I was astounded at the level of apparent affluence in the CR, given the average income and state of the economy in 99 and 2000 when i was there. Compared to the scenes in Canadian cities, it made one wonder which was the developing country. I surmised that this was because: a) there was more family and other social support for the the individual, less tendency to ostracize eccentrics, and thus less risk of disenfranchisement and b)more social context for drinking and/or recreational drug use, such as the pervasive pub culture, quite different from N.America, where lack of social context tends to create a subculture of disenfranchised misfits.
of course, people were working their a**** off to pay for the new cell phones and cars, and their social culture made them more concerned about their social status, and thus willing to work to maintain the trappings of status. they don't have welfare or a large, affluent middle class to feed off of either, as in N.America. I don't think a homeless drunk or drug addict would garner the same pity they might in Canada, although the very oddity of it might spark some alms. I saw a homeless white man in Martinique being given alms by the black populace, although there were certainly locals who were in as bad or worse straits, but wouldn't think of begging.
when i taught in Liberec, i had a student who was a bit of a social misfit, but he was still invited to all of the parties and such that all the other students were. This would rarely happen, if ever, in Canada, at least not in the urban and suburban environments i'm familiar with. The head teacher was English, and made fun of this student openly, but i don't think it garnered him the positive response with the Czech girls he was hoping for. It may be that the N. American passion for individualism, with its attendant ostracization of the misfit or eccentric, may have its roots in English culture.
I really prefer Slavic culture, which is why i am looking for an opportunity of settling somewhere in the region. |
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: thank you |
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mick_luna wrote: |
that is exactly the kind of info i am looking for. it sounds quite similar to the Czech Republic, except for the poverty. I was astounded at the level of apparent affluence in the CR, given the average income and state of the economy in 99 and 2000 when i was there. n. |
Well in Poland, approximately 1/3rd of the polulation which was intricately associated with the economy was destroyed during WWII when Jews were liquidated or deported and the intelligentsia murdered. Make a huge difference, and the country has suffered from not being given a chance to recover since.bh |
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