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woza17
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Location: china
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| I do take myself seriously, obviously you don't. If you want to come on the forum and speak a lot of shite, that's fine with me but just because we give coherent replies it doesn't mean we are up ourselves. |
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2 over lee
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
Posts: 1125
Location: www.specialbrewman.blogspot.com
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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By the way, I have read that Michael Jackson is looking for a number of doubles because wearing female garments in scorching hot Dubai is not quite to the liking |
lol 
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I do take myself seriously, obviously you don't. If you want to come on the forum and speak a lot of *beep*, that's fine with me but just because we give coherent replies it doesn't mean we are up ourselves.
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 105
Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Big problems in little China woza ?
and they are yours, not mine |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Big problems in little China woza ?
and they are yours, not mine |
Are you for real? Do you really have to come to China? How about Antartica? or even Tasmania? |
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 105
Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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well HunanFella
I am not comeing to your house anyway so no need to burn your clutch at the red light
like I said before waddya do here?
wash cars ? make trouble at the cross?
I don have no rich mummee or daddee to spin my wheels
I gotta do it for me 
seem to be a lot of places to work down soiuth for me
I got my own thread now 
crisp and clean
but never obsceen
I wrote some joke about Tasmania but they got scrubed out 
that was Oz-day - seems like weeks ago
you are French right |
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poopsicola
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: World travelling
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: A chance |
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Would you believe there's a tight spot in Guangdong needing someone pretty soon? But how to massage my credentials? I've got to come up with something that could be passed off as a tertiary qualification. It's all in the wording, I'm told.
Everything else is OK. Wish me luck. But what can I massage?
While backpacking I have earned the following:
"Certificate of Participation" World Congress on Health and Urban Environment, Madrid, 1998
"Certificate of Appreciation" by the Confucius Private Secondary School, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, November 2004
Special award, during a National Congress on Astrology, Palmistry and Criminology, Bombay, India
I know these don't seem to amount to much but could the Chinese authorities be persuaded to see them as the equivalent of a degree? Does life experience count? This college seems keen to get a replacement shortly and they are prepared to offer me a place teaching Spoken Engish and some French to English majors.
Any ideas? |
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Mytime
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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"Certificate of Participation" World Congress on Health and Urban Environment, Madrid, 1998
"Certificate of Appreciation" by the Confucius Private Secondary School, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, November 2004
Special award, during a National Congress on Astrology, Palmistry and Criminology, Bombay, India
I know these don't seem to amount to much but could the Chinese authorities be persuaded to see them as the equivalent of a degree? |
I seriously doubt it. These aren't the kind of things you 'earn', more the kind of things you get for turning up.
WTF is THIS about.
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| National Congress on Astrology, Palmistry and Criminology, |
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poopsicola
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: World travelling
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: Spatial awareness |
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| Yes, it does seem strange but they were into spatial awareness stuff, aural (as in aura) sensitivities and hemispherical transfer. Lots of bells, flowers and incense. It was interesting. I was involved in an interpretation of inner consciousness through dance and so the special award. |
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 105
Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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hey there
You have done the world travel pedal down
I dunno where you are now
but in Sydney you can get a diploma in one year at my college
free for me - but there a lot of folks from all ovet the palce study here
lotta chinese but nobody French I think
have an eyeball where you live
all luck to ya |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Re: A chance |
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Would you believe there's a tight spot in Guangdong needing someone pretty soon? But how to massage my credentials? I've got to come up with something that could be passed off as a tertiary qualification. It's all in the wording, I'm told.
Everything else is OK. Wish me luck. But what can I massage?
While backpacking I have earned the following:
"Certificate of Participation" World Congress on Health and Urban Environment, Madrid, 1998
"Certificate of Appreciation" by the Confucius Private Secondary School, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, November 2004
Special award, during a National Congress on Astrology, Palmistry and Criminology, Bombay, India
I know these don't seem to amount to much but could the Chinese authorities be persuaded to see them as the equivalent of a degree? Does life experience count? This college seems keen to get a replacement shortly and they are prepared to offer me a place teaching Spoken Engish and some French to English majors.
Any ideas? |
Dites, monsieur ou madame, est-ce que vous croyez les chinois aveugles au point que vous l'imaginez? Quelle affronterie, dirais-je....
Alors, permettez-moi de vous dire, tout clairement et tout franchement, comment les choses vont se passer...et je vous le dirai dans la langue de Moliere afin qu'il n'y ai point d'equivoque.
Vous avez toute une serie de diplomes qui ne valent point grand'chose...
Vous pourriez tres bien les presenter au Minister de l'Education nationale..mais ne vous induisez point a croire qu'a Guang Zhou qu'ils soient tellement imbeciles...
Alors, monsieur le delegue aupres du Ministere charge des equivalences va sortit son gross livre des tableaux des equivalances. Il verra tout de suite l'etat actuel des choses....et il vous refusera sans doute le Certificate de Competence Etrangere, donc le permis de travail, et voila, ce sera bien fini pour vous....le petit jeu se sera bien vite joue...et vous de perdant...
Si pourtant l'universite ou le college dont il s'agit en l'instance actuelle disposait de suffisament de relations -- car en Chine tout se joue a ce niveau-la -- dans ce cas il se pourrait que les choses s'arrangent...mais vu qu'il s'agit de GuangZhou et vu la rigueur plutot ferme du delegue charge des equivalences aupres du Ministere de l'Education nationale, vous courriez un refus categorique...
Mais faites comme cela vous plairait... |
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poopsicola
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: World travelling
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Une myopie curieuse |
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Il me semble qu'il y a d'ailleurs une myopie curieuse au sujet des pr�c�dents clairs.
Outrage, maybe understandable outrage from the genuine article. But I am told that there are many people working in China, well-known people, who have little more than I have. And at university level at that!
I shall wait and see - and will let you know. But I'm told that everything is possible here and that Tables of Equivalence are unknown to all intents and purposes. I fear I have been suffering from scruples. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Une myopie curieuse |
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Il me semble qu'il y a d'ailleurs une myopie curieuse au sujet des pr�c�dents clairs.
Outrage, maybe understandable outrage from the genuine article. But I am told that there are many people working in China, well-known people, who have little more than I have. And at university level at that!
I shall wait and see - and will let you know. But I'm told that everything is possible here and that Tables of Equivalence are unknown to all intents and purposes. I fear I have been suffering from scruples. |
Deux petites devises :
1. "A beau mentir qui vient de loin " . et
2. "Qui vivra, verra ".
Et finalement, puisque vous semblez si bien vous connaitre en la matiere, pourquoi nous importuner ici?
Encore une de plus qui n'a jamais mis pied en Chine qui se presente comme autorite...dommage..
car en Chine on apprend vite la portee du mot " humble "... |
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 105
Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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Thank you for the English poopsicola
the rest is just a load of ....
But listen cowboy
i woulld not go telling any lies or making stuff up
Some of my old mates used to bend the banana a bit too and some of those characters ended up in big trouble
imagine _ big trouble in little China - not too crisp 
I see it this way - theres always some trickster about, some scammer
they dont all get caught - but imagine if you did
careful  for me - I will be squeaky
Look I dunno - I never been in China but I reckon if you wanna start blowing smoke screns, you need to know the ropes over there right
maybe you can just grease it up maybe 
maybe some one who lived there 5/8/10 years know wots gives and wot not.
you need to find out wot is possible & OK - & leave the rest
Like thus Hunan FG is French right and he is not the only one
i dont have a degree & is not the only one
why not you too |
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Mysterious Mark
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
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I meet people from all over the world at Bondi and they surely know what I am saying.
And Australains are from all over the world too (I was born in NZ- my friends are all from different countries)
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They may understand a lot less than they let on, if they can't be bothered to say "What?" at the end of every second or third sentence uttered by a local. Of course it also depends on how much time they've spent down under...
Whether you like it or not, your local dialect is not what the Chinese really want. Most of them are business-minded and convinced that Eur-America is the great land of economic prosperity and opportunity. Antipodean slang is not likely to be useful to them in their pursuit of Eur-American business dealings. It's also not likely to be useful to them in their pursuit of academic prosperity. There are debates now and then about what constitutes "correctness" in present-day English in view of the lack of a governing body for the language, and people often say that what matters is how the language is used in everyday life, but if something wouldn't be correct at an educational institution in an English speaking country, it would be irresponsible to teach it as being correct at an educational institution in a non-English speaking country, unless you teach it with that very caveat.
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Why do these teachers here expect me to speak like some old digger dude from the war 100 years ago?
Ok if your grandpapa was some old ocker character - well I am not � it that Ok with you guys 
My English is not like some professor but then I reckon that some of these teachers in China might be bending the banana too
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(Digger dude? Ocker? Huh? Etc...)
Although I do think that the teacher who brings joy to the lives of overworked and mismanaged Chinese kids while imparting a thick Kiwi, Scottish, Texan, Indian, or Russian accent (etc.) is much more valuable in the long run than the teacher who sounds like an American news anchor but doesn't bring any joy, I can confidently say that most Chinese who want to learn English would prefer not to make people laugh when they speak.
An American friend of mine had to sit down and have a talk with a very good student who'd been teaching himself English by watching gangsta movies (Boyz 'N' the Hood etc.) and was consequently saying things like "Yo wassup nigga!" as if it were normal to speak that way. I heard of an English teacher from London, of all places, whose C*ckney accent (can't spell that word here) was so strong that the other foreigners in town, including Brits, couldn't understand him half the time. How would his students feel if they knew? How much will they have to unlearn in order to learn to speak the kind of English that most English speakers can understand?
Of course it's not just your students you should be concerned about - their parents and your employer might worry too. So the more professional (like a "real teacher" as some would say) and internationally comprehensible you sound, the better. This is an informal discussion forum, so perfect grammar isn't necessary here (except to a few self-appointed cops), but the fact is, as the record shows, that Poopsi has been communicating more efficiently for international purposes in his/her second language than you in your first.
I don't mean to dis your dialect here; I just want to help make you aware of a very important aspect of the situation you're considering getting yourself into.
And to Poopsi, like I said, don't worry too much about everything being by the book. Which book? Which version? Who said the book says that? How would they know? It goes on and on like that. Certainly not all but most Chinese would be happy to do business with you. A lot of them would also be happy to rip you off and think that you're an easier target than an older person from a native English country, so do be careful.
If you can pass for a native speaker and have the competence that higher education is supposed to instil, teaching in China has the potential to be a rewarding experience for you and your potential students. Humility and humbleness can be very important and useful, and I do agree about not lying, but I don't agree with the overall picture that HFG paints. It's based on his own experience, so naturally it has validity, but China's a big country, both homogenous and diverse, and it usually (always?) turns out not to be what people expect before they come and see for themselves. |
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Mysterious Mark,
You write some very spot-on things without trying to be super hero. OK I should write �worthwhile�
My problem is I have to pay for net time or use my mates PC at the moment �
See I�m trying to use a shorthand to knock out the words quickly.
When college opens again, I can write more carefully. That is how I write essays.
Anyway, I will jump off this one now cause you have some crisp words (oops important information) for poopsicola above
I hear what you are saying I do thank you very much. I will speak to my job counsellor about that too.
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to Poopsi, like I said, don't worry too much about everything being by the book. Which book? Which version? Who said the book says that? How would they know? It goes on and on like that. Certainly not all but most Chinese would be happy to do business with you. A lot of them would also be happy to rip you off and think that you're an easier target than an older person from a native English country, so do be careful.
If you can pass for a native speaker and have the competence that higher education is supposed to instil, teaching in China has the potential to be a rewarding experience for you and your potential students. Humility and humbleness can be very important and useful, and I do agree about not lying, but I don't agree with the overall picture that HFG paints. It's based on his own experience, so naturally it has validity, but China's a big country, both homogenous and diverse, and it usually (always?) turns out not to be what people expect before they come and see for themselves.
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