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TEAM_PAPUA
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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: * |
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| Though there are language school teachers who are professional! |
Indeed, there are many sincere, hardworking professionals working in these money printing shops: those are the teachers who should be questioning WHY they are still there being paid the same miserable salary as a guy whose puking up all day after 24 hours hitting the pills & chickens 
But the social factor is good, if that's what you want; for many it is important as it may be their first time in Indonesia, or maybe their first time overseas. Also, money isn't everything - and I will always spend what I earn reagrdless.
*No, that's not me in the picture, my bike is better There are lots of bikers in Indonesia & they do regular trips out of the city. Biking here in jakarta is a no-no - unless you have a full 'Gulf War HAZMAT suit' 
My point overall points are that there are many types of schools, some are maybe more suitable to some teachers than others. However, there are many types of 'teachers', these may also be more suitable for some schools. It just annoys me when I read posts from some guy whose probably spent his life packing biscuits, getting drunk, beating his wife around some trailer park moaning about the conditions/classes/salary and demanding a top-scale salary/benefits package, having never attended a class (above high school), never read a book and has no understanding of the topic he is supposed to be 'teaching' (not meant to target anyone on here).
Everyone has to start at the bottom (unless you get a lucky break). Learn from this and use it to become a better teacher and to also gain a better understanding of life in Indonesia.
Good luck
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gugelhupf
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Yup! Recruitment for July seems to be in full swing already with many NatPlus and international schools either advertising or interviewing now.
I echo what TP said above - these kind of jobs usually entail responsibilities beyond just teaching English. You may have to attend assembly, admonish miscreants, attend parents' evenings etc just like a regular school-teacher. Many are now offering 2 yr contracts so these jobs are for those who are here medium to long term.
If you can handle all that, and have AT LEAST a 1st degree plus CELTA/TESOL and some experience, then go for it. The very best paid jobs are at international schools but these tend to require a regular school teaching qualification as well.
As TP already said - 'proper' school jobs offer (usually) better pay, hours and holiday entitlement but also expect a lot more from teachers. More people are fired than quit from these jobs, which is quite the reverse situation to the language mills! |
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guru
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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With International schools they are after single teachers or teaching couples. A teacher with a non teaching spouse has Buckley's chance!
Not all national plus schools employ trained teachers. Sure they want to. Sure they are professional, but many national plus schools are desperate and some (not all) will employ non trained teachers if they are professional. |
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ytange
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Bondi -maybe gotta move soon(ex NZ)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| after 24 hours hitting the pills & chickens |
hey this team papua dude has got this priorties right
crisp
the rest sounds like hard work
nah -- China uni seems the deal 12 hours a week and the rest is action time |
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gugelhupf
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: |
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And if you like wading through spit and being stared at by zillions of people right in your face, so I'm told, China's the place to be.
Funny how I meet so many teachers in Indo who have 'escaped' from teaching over there. |
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ytange
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wow gugelhupf the alarm bells are ringing loud and clear
thanks for thhe 10-4 on that
I have a 2 year diploma from a community college
would that make the grade in Indonesia?
I dont wanna work for the English First - sounds like a slave farm and that not my idea of fun and games?
Thanks dudes |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: * |
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Ah...I have such fond memories of my 2 years in China
"The land That Time/Manners/Education/Decency/Personal Cleanliness/Sincerity/Honesty/Basic Human Decency Forgot"
Those universities are lovely and warm in the summer, and refreshingly cool in the winter - not to mention the smell of urine
The girls with their long long dark flowing hair (under their arms) and beautiful teeth (if you like yellow) - and how I miss the 24/7 hoiiiiiking!!!
Dammit - I do miss Bai Jiu! And the monster sized portions of beef dumplings!
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| I have a 2 year diploma from a community college |
If I were you I'd ask for my money back. The time and money would've been better used if you'd taken a Basic Introduction to Elementary Grammar foundation course.
*Yep - I'd have to agree that EF sucks; that's why I don't work for them. |
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ytange
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Oh Team Papua you are blowing me away
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| "The land That Time/Manners/Education/Decency/Personal Cleanliness/Sincerity/Honesty/Basic Human Decency Forgot" |
So crisp
I don�t know what to believe but thanks for the scoop on EF.
I am keeping right awya from them - dont wanna be a slave
I did not have to pay for my college course cause it is a scheme to get people on the dole a job.
We learnt to write well and if we send some official thing we learnt to use Word and check for all the problems. Read it carefully
Like I am just banging this out quick in the library.
Gotta hit the water now
Thanx for your thoughts
I am processing |
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Mytime
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| We learnt to write well and if we send some official thing we learnt to use Word and check for all the problems. Read it carefully |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: * |
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| Like I am just banging this out quick in the library |
I trust that is the only thing you are 'banging out' while sitting in front of the computer
Have a nice weekend. |
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ytange
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Hey man that is a public place!! 
Just getting over the session from Oz day here
that was collosall 
cheers dude and pedal down
I really apprecaite all you have to say Thanks a mountain
--not like those hard-nuts on the China board.
Big problems in little China maybe  |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: * |
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| China is the place to be!!! |
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