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hangzhouvice
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Location: Hangzhou
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 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: Hey guys, EF Xiamen..any reports, good or bad? |
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Happy new year guys,
My friend got offered a job in Xiamen by EF. Is there anyone out there who worked for this branch before?? And guys, I don't wanna start a big debate on EF again, we've had enough of them already. As far as I can see, we must assess each individual branch on it's own merits instead of tarring them all with the same brush. So, the best way we can do this is specific information on each branch. Warn teachers away from some and towards the more reputable branches..... |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Hey guys, EF Xiamen..any reports, good or bad? |
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| hangzhouvice wrote: |
| As far as I can see, we must assess each individual branch on it's own merits instead of tarring them all with the same brush. So, the best way we can do this is specific information on each branch. Warn teachers away from some and towards the more reputable branches..... |
Exactly right!
I am aware of one recent complaint from January 2006 about EF Xiamen. Quite honestly though I don't know if the complaint really holds any water and hopefully someone here will be able to give you some first hand advice.
The complaint that I refer to mentioned the pay being low, the teachers being shouted at by the boss, and other administrative issues. There was some mention of bonuses not being paid and Z visas not being secured but there was no contact information included in the post so there is no way of confirming the actual circumstances.
On the upside, that is the only comment that I am aware of about that particular school so it may indicate that it isn't that bad of a school to work for as there is certainly no flood of complaints.
Maybe Gregor (a resident EF DOS) could put you in touch with a teacher or the DOS at the school for further information. Or he may have heard something about the school in question. |
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hangzhouvice
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Location: Hangzhou
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks Charles |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The complaint that I refer to mentioned the pay being low, the teachers being shouted at by the boss, and other administrative issues. There was some mention of bonuses not being paid and Z visas not being secured but there was no contact information included in the post so there is no way of confirming the actual circumstances. |
yeahhh well sounds a bit iffy (can you give us a link to the complaint C)
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| On the upside, that is the only comment that I am aware of about that particular school so it may indicate that it isn't that bad of a school to work for as there is certainly no flood of complaints. |
 ROLL UP! ROLL UP! - the big c seal of approval - no actual confirmed murders, just a bit of employee bashing -THIS MUST BE A GOOD PLACE TO WORK AT
Big C you is the best!!!! |
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Louras
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: Funny |
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| As always, very sharp. clarkie vehemently denies, on one of my other postings, that he does not always take the Chinese's side on things. Yeah, right. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Predictably Louras and vikdk follow me around this board like two little puppies, offering no information relevant to the thread but continuing their personal attacks. Guys, I have disagreed with you on some of your points on other threads. So what? Get over it!
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| yeahhh well sounds a bit iffy (can you give us a link to the complaint C) |
Vikdk the irony of your request for a link to the original comment that I refer to is that it is no longer available at it�s original location but has fortunately been archived at the site that I am involved with. So for all your criticisms of my involvement with that site, to date the only comment about this particularly EF school can now only be found on that site, which afterall was the intent and purpose of that site in the first place.
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| As always, very sharp. clarkie vehemently denies, on one of my other postings, that he does not always take the Chinese's side on things. Yeah, right. |
Louras, are you perhaps suggesting that we should just take the comments that I referred to as being fact even without any collaborating reports from other teachers, nor any way of contacting the author of that post for further information. Can I say that the information is totally incorrect? Of course not and this is not what I have said. I am hopeful that someone who has actual experience with this school will post here and either concur that the above comments are correct, or alternatively that someone will post here and state that the comments are incorrect and outline why they are incorrect. Surely this is the sort of information that the OP of this thread is also seeking.
So if Louras and vikdk have some specific comments about EF Xiamen that you believe may be of value to the OP�s research then great let�s hear it. Otherwise quit your stalking and get on with your lives. |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Vikdk the irony of your request for a link to the original comment that I refer to is that it is no longer available at it�s original location but has fortunately been archived at the site that I am involved with. So for all your criticisms of my involvement with that site, to date the only comment about this particularly EF school can now only be found on that site, which afterall was the intent and purpose of that site in the first place. |
yur doing a good job Clarkie - we're proud of yur - where are these archives so the rest of us can read them - and why so much Clarkie commentary and spin on info that would easy enough for us to read and understand in the first palce - It's one thing archiving stuff, but a simple lnk to actually seeing it in the raw flesh would be nice. But then again aint it nice that all this stuff goes through Big C and his terrier R - makes life so much easier when these guys tell us what we should do and how we should think - heavens above who wants to get a head-ache by being too critical and going against RC convention |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Hey guys, EF Xiamen..any reports, good or bad? |
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| hangzhouvice wrote: |
| ..........And guys, I don't wanna start a big debate on EF again, we've had enough of them already. As far as I can see, we must assess each individual branch on it's own merits instead of tarring them all with the same brush. So, the best way we can do this is specific information on each branch. Warn teachers away from some and towards the more reputable branches..... |
OP, it looks like you've been "around" for a while, even though you've just entered these forums recently. Or is it that you'd done your job so well searching for every EF related thread before you posted this topic?
Now to Clark, the man "involved in Buxiban" that serves schools in their recruiting for ESLers.
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clark.w.griswald wrote:
I am aware of one recent complaint from January 2006 about EF Xiamen. Quite honestly though I don't know if the complaint really holds any water |
Quite honestly, how would you know? Your knowledge of EF English First, their management, their product and their franchised EF centers around China or elsewhere really doesn't HOLD ANY WATER, does it?
EF Xiamen ran with no Director of Studies for A WHILE, even though the EF English First standards/structure call for Director of Studies in every EF center. If a Director of Studies position isn't filled in in a center that center has no right to recruit through the EF legitimate recruiters' offices.
EF owners in China often avoid filling in Director of Studies positions so that they could enjoy their "FREE RIDE" in their "business venture".
There are many other issues, but hell why talking about them when the OP here on thread doesn't want to know.
Stay away from EF English First in China!
And
Cheers and beers |
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