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Roger
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| [Oh, and vikdk, I do notice the obvious contradiction in your views in this current thread. I mean for someone who complains so much about the dishonesty of employers in China and the fact that some employers are willing to employ teachers on inappropriate visas, it is interesting that you seem to advocate that it is okay for teachers to lie on their visa application prior to even arriving in China in order that they can secure inappropriate visas for the purpose of their travel here, and then no doubt for teachers to work illegally for the first weeks until their Z visa comes through. Maybe you would like to clarify this. Do you really think that it is okay for teachers to lie when it comes to obtaining visas, and if so then why do you hold schools out to be the bad guys? |
Don't ask Vikdk to clarify his stance on the matter - this is what sets him apart from other professional teachers: he is the one that says he has such-and-such degrees and wants to do a meaningful job in China, yet he wants to remain outside of the system that hosts and feeds him - the better for him to profiteer and sponge while talking his mouth off about those "unscrupulous" Chinese employers that bought an EF franchise...
When two guys do the same thing it goes by two different names...just ask our Nordic hero what he wants to call his own contradi9ction and insincerity! |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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oh deary me the the ayotollahs have spoken - another thread drowned in the pollution of C and R
You to can be like them after 10 years of China 
hey Roger at least I dont call myself South african when I'm Swiss (think it's something to do with that ol' chesnut - being a native speaker) - now that is being insincere |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Vikdk, are you going to answer the question. I believe it to be a relevant one in the context of your involvement on this board.
You are on record for having complained about the fact that some employers act outside of the law. In particular you have gone on and on about the legal visa status of teachers at EF.
Yet you are also on record as advocating that teachers obtain an F (business) visa to come to China which is an inappropriate visa from a legal sense for teachers and would require one to lie to the visa office by providing an invitation letter from a company in China on false pretenses. I assume that you then encourage these same teachers to work illegally during the Z visa processing period once they do find work as you didn't state otherwise to my question about this in an earlier post.
Finally you are also on record for promoting the concept of doing freelance work outside of your employer which would be illegal no matter which visa you were here under (with the exception of visas for the purpose of marriage to a local).
You are not the only person who recommends these things, but you are the only person that I am aware of that promotes a combination of such contradictory views on this forum.
So my question again - Do you really believe that it is okay for foreign teachers to lie and to choose to work illegally; but that Chinese schools should be admonished for doing the same? |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: Locking |
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| I am locking this thread so that some people can practice a little deep breathing and other relaxation techniques. When it is unlocked, please stay on topic and away from the personal attacks and insults. Otherwise, this thread will lose its earthly existence and the persons responsible will be held responsible. |
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