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Guadalajara jobs near ITESM?
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avacado



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Guadalajara jobs near ITESM? Reply with quote

I'm looking to teach next year in Guadalajara. My wife will be attending ITESM - Guadalajara and I would like to teach near there. Does anyone know of schools in that part of town that may hire me with these qualifications:

Currently I am a senior at a public university and will graduate with a BS in Anthropology, Spanish minor in May. I have worked as a Chemistry teaching assistant for two years, and currently work for a test preparation company as an MCAT tutor. I have plenty of experience tutoring non-English speaking children in reading and spelling, but no formal ESL teaching experience or teaching certificate.
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MsMexico



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would actually make more money if you taught Spanish to retirees. There is a large gringo retirement community in Guadalajara and just to the south of Guad. at Lake Chapala. You can charge approx. $20 an hour which is far more than any school would pay you.

A few years back a friend of mine was a Professor at the University of Guadalajara, teaching Spanish and making about $4 an hour.

Something to consider
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avacado



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there language schools I could work for teaching Spanish or would I need to be a private tutor?

I would like to set up some of this before I arrive in July if possible
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MsMexico



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would make far more money as a private tutor. A friend taught Spanish at the University Of Guadalajara, full professor, and was paid approximately $4 an hour.
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miss_betty



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you contacted the prepatoria (high school) for ITESM? Sometimes they will hire without a TEFL.

are you a mexican teacher...what is your nationality. Tec pays a different scale for foreign teachers versus mexican. ( it is much higher for foreign)

saludos@!
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FreddyM



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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are you a mexican teacher...what is your nationality. Tec pays a different scale for foreign teachers versus mexican. ( it is much higher for foreign)


just curious, but how much is the difference in pay for what is essentially the same job by two different people? what's the justification for this sort of discriminatory policy? that foreigners are better teachers because they are "native speakers"?

I'm wondering because I was thinking of applying for a job there. I am a Mexican citizen by birth, but I have lived most of my life in the U.S., and have two degrees from there (BS and MA), and teaching experience both in the U.S. and Mexico, mostly in the U.S. I am more native speaker English than Spanish (although I speak both). I'm not a U.S. citizen. If I applied for a job there, would they pay me less just because I am a Mexican citizen, rather than a "foreigner"?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While it sounds like discrimination, and it probably is, I'm sure they could justify the difference by factoring in relocation costs, education costs from other countries, incentives, etc, etc.
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cwc



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Politically uncorrect Reply with quote

FreddyM, Mexico doesn�t know about political correctness. How is it discrimination to select one race over another when we are speaking of tacit knowledge? Would you learn to snow ski from a Cuban? Would you learn to speak Russian from a Brazilian? The standard ad usually asks for �female, good looking, single, 18-30�. I think it is refreshing to live in a country that doesn�t pretend that we are all the same. We have been brainwashed to think that an old person can do what a young person can. Ask an old person, they will tell you it isn�t true. The politically correct people tell us that a man and a woman have the same abilities. Bullsh-t!! No two humans have the same abilities. We are all more alike than we are different, but we are different. My school has soccer for boys and dance for girls. The sex roles are well defined. There are a lot fewer people confused with whether they should be on top or bottom. All of us married to Mexican women can tell you that well defined sex roles are better. The people here can�t fathom a man washing dishes or doing laundry. However, a man must give his wife money every Saturday or go to jail. I am certain some stupid Caucasian will try to change all that in a few years. cwc
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think Mexicans themselves, and not 'Caucasians', have already written the laws to try to change things.

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The politically correct people tell us that a man and a woman have the same abilities.


So, without ever seeing a woman, without ever reading her resume, without ever arm-wrestling her, without ever talking to her, I should discount her for certain jobs, based only on her name? What was that about bullsh*t?

The politically correct people don't say that a man and a woman have the same abilities. What they do say is that everyone should have a chance to try, and that gender should not be a barrier to the attempt. Of course there are differences...women don't play pro football. They are not barred from trying though.

The examples of success in every single field of employment, yes, every single one, are too numerous to list here. Maybe it would be quicker if you could name one job that woman cannot do and has never done.
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cwc



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Guy Reply with quote

Guy, Did I say anything about denying anyone the chance to try? You had a knee-jerk reaction and jumped to a conclusion. I expected it. As you are fully aware, it is easy to take a quote out of context and alter the meaning. Why didn�t you use the part about nobody being the same, or the part that speaks about us being more alike than different? The truth is that we are all so trained to treat everyone as equals that we deny that anyone isn�t equal. I WAS speaking of physical, not mental abilities. Do women play against men in soccer or rugby. Thank you for proving that we Caucasions are too far gone for remedy. I am suprised that you couldn�t, as a writer, couldn�t see the sub-theme; NOBODY is equal. I agree that women are as qualified as any other person. If you would stop and think and read instead of being blinded by our scr-wed up culture, you would realize that my argument is that ALL humans are different. Read line 9 after Bullsh-t!! No generalizations can be made. There are non-native speakers that have better grammar than we do. I know a guy that is a champion at idioms. I think he was born in Sonora. Go back and read my post with a cool head. cwc
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I did hit the sub-theme quite nicely, and I doubt you expected this response. The sub-theme is that you are dead wrong.

You speak of us but you don't speak of the individual, and therein lies the reason for my 'knee-jerk' response. You are right in that no generaliztion can be made, including the one that uses the current state of rugby or soccer in stating that women don't compete against men, physically. This doesn't preclude the chance for one or several women to try to do it, which is precisely what anti-discrimination laws are all about.

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Would you learn to snow ski from a Cuban? Would you learn to speak Russian from a Brazilian?


hardly speaks of the physical. As a matter of simple fact, if the Cuban or the Brazilian displayed the correct aptitude and abilities, I would be more than happy to learn skiing and Russian from them.

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All of us married to Mexican women can tell you that well defined sex roles are better. The people here can�t fathom a man washing dishes or doing laundry.


Not this one, married to a Mexican woman. You may have it right in describing a lot of Mexican men and women, but certainly not all.
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guty



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Guy, if you didn't have the time to see if the Brazillian 'displayed the correct aptitude' who would you be inclined to opt for?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person with the most experience.
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cwc



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject: Guy Reply with quote

Dishwasher guy, I didn�t say that men or women were better, just different. Please read my post again and see if you can understand it. Why is it so hard for you to understand that there is a difference between the sexes. Would you be happy if we were androgynous? How would you like it if your wife called the shots in your family? Would you be happy if she decided that the family should move? I am certain that your family is not a democracy. YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY. Somebody has to be in charge!!!! Even in same sex households there is a boss. Like it or not, we are all are different. cwc
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Politically uncorrect Reply with quote

cwc wrote:
The people here can�t fathom a man washing dishes or doing laundry. cwc


That's the reality of the Mexican upperclasses, where not even the lady of the house would stoop to doing those tasks. But while the chacha is washing their dishes, back at her "house" her son's are washing their own clothes, fixing their own lunch, and making sure the house is in order so when mama gets her precious day off she can rest.
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