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Aristotle



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Advisory Warning for Banking on Taiwan Reply with quote

Advisory Warning for Taiwan
Non-Republic of China nationals on Taiwan or the occupied islands are strongly advised to avoid opening or using banks on, or associated with Taiwan.

The following warning/advisory specifically applies to banking for all non-Republic of China nationals living, working or traveling on Taiwan or the occupied territories of the Republic of China.

The occupational authority of the Republic of China has, as part of an ongoing effort to promote greater racial superiority of Republic of China nationals, decreed that non-ROC nationals with banking or financial accounts in banks or financial institutions in ROC territory, be denied access to any funds or monies locally or abroad held by banks in
the territory of the Republic of China, if they do not poses a residency document (ARC) or ROC passports issued by that authority.

Non-ROC nationals who fail to withdraw monies or assets in a specified time may forfeit those accounts or assets to confiscation by the the occupational authorities without notification or re-numeration of non ROC nationals.

Further more, that same occupational government has initiated policies to arbitrarily and through extra judicial means, revoke Alien Resident Certificates (ARC) and deport from the territory any foreign national without right of appeal or judicial oversight thus, depriving minorities on Taiwan of their basic human rights and effectively stealing any assets non ROC nationals may have in local banks.

This warning/advisory specifically applies to immigrants, migrants, foreign spouses, laborers, teachers, domestic helpers, foreign engineers, business executives and dependents numbering over 500,000 to 1,00,000 people or approximately 2% to 5% of the population on Taiwan who do not posses Republic of China passports or ROC national identification cards.

This advisory has been issued by SSETT the defacto foreign teachers union and advocacy group on Taiwan.


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Solar Strength



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend and I were in Thailand and went to use the ATM. Our cards didn't work (China Trust). We were like, WTF??!

Well, it turns out that the China Trust took away our privileges to use our cards in foriegn ATM machines.

Luckily for us we had our Japanese Sumitomo bank cards with us and we were able to travel and use those cards.

After we got back, we went in and asked why our cards didn't work - they worked last year.

Apparantly, we needed to bring in our new ARC cards and then they changed our cards for us.

I imagine there have been people travelling out of Taiwan with only their Taishin or China Trust cards to find out they can't use them in foreign ATM machines - yet the CIRUS and INTERAC symbols are on the cards.

As backwards as Japan and Korea can be with banking, at least the cards I got there worked in foreign ATM machines when I travelled.

The thing is, China Trust never sent us any notice of the change, which really pissed me off. They just went and took our access away and didn't tell us.

What a ..cking stupid system.
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Pop Fly



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Advisory Warning for Banking on Taiwan Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:

This advisory has been issued by SSETT the defacto foreign teachers union and advocacy group on Taiwan.


Please be advised that SSETT is a union of one person. He is a paranoid delusional person who has nothing good to say about Taiwan. There are plenty of us living, working and prospering here. I personally have had nothing but excellent interactions with the taiwanese government. It is effecient and friendly. The worst experience I have had in my 5+ years of living on this island was when I had to deal with the Canadian Trade Office here. Other than that, all bureaucratic dealings have been smooth sailing.

Please ignore the OP's "Advisories" for the raving lunacies that they are.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Advisory Warning for Banking on Taiwan Reply with quote

There is some basis in what Aristotle writes here but as usual he has totally overstated the facts and created a post that loses its relevance as it contains such flowery language.

Many years ago you could open a bank account in Taiwan with nothing more than your passport. This was abused by the Nigerian email scam, and the government introduced a policy of requiring banks to insist upon an ARC before foreigners could open accounts in Taiwan.

More recently the government has started requiring banks to suspend accounts for which there is no current ARC information or for which the ARC supporting the accounts opening no longer exists or has expired.

The bank cannot freeze your funds and the monies in your account remain yours, but there is an inconvenience as you may need to return to the branch that you opened your account in person, in order to close your account and withdraw any remaining funds. I am not sure how the bank deals with any funds that are deposited into your account after the expiry of your ARC.

So while it is worth mentioning the above practice seems to be being enforced by banks, you shouldn't be concerned by Aristotles scaremongering. The practices obviously have nothing to do with race but are instead aimed at putting an end to non-residents working illegally in Taiwan as well as non-residents using Taiwan banks for illegal purposes.

Foreigners resident in Taiwan and holding the required ARC obviously have nothing to worry about.

Aristotle wrote:
Non-ROC nationals who fail to withdraw monies or assets in a specified time may forfeit those accounts or assets to confiscation by the the occupational authorities without notification or re-numeration of non ROC nationals.


This is incorrect and just serves to misinform teachers.

Aristotle wrote:
Further more, that same occupational government has initiated policies to arbitrarily and through extra judicial means, revoke Alien Resident Certificates (ARC) and deport from the territory any foreign national without right of appeal or judicial oversight thus, depriving minorities on Taiwan of their basic human rights


This is also incorrect. All foreign nationals deported from Taiwan have the right to appeal their deportation and can apply for the right to remain in Taiwan until the appeal has been heard. There are many precedents of people having done exactly this.

It is true that foreigners caught working illegally can be and are deported for this when caught. Just as they should be. They have no respect for the law so why should the law have any respect for them.

What is not true is that this is not done arbitrarily, but follows a strict process. The laws of this land charge the foreign affairs police with the responsibility of identifying and deporting foreigners who are working illegally in Taiwan and these same laws do not require a judicial hearing on this matter, unless of course the foreigner requests such and then they get a hearing. If you are working illegally and are caught then you may as well leave on the deportation and your appeal will fail as you have no grounds for claiming that you should remain.

Aristotle wrote:
This advisory has been issued by SSETT the defacto foreign teachers union and advocacy group on Taiwan.


Oh yes. Good old SSETT. The Secret Society of Teachers in Taiwan. A society of one (Aristotle) that is so secret that it doesn't actually do anything but use forums such as this one for the spreading of anti-Taiwan propaganda.
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SanChong



Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Aristotle:

Is it difficult to type with a strait jacket on? I'm just curious.

If you could please share SSET's views on this important question, it would be very helpful to all teachers throughout Taiwan.

We thank you in advance!
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trukesehammer



Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Location: The Vatican

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:57 am    Post subject: Bank Advisory? Reply with quote



Very Happy Heh! Just about EVERYTHING in Taiwan is arbitrary! But hey, I ain't complaining. Actually, it makes life here more interesting. Cool
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