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Guy Courchesne
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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: Snoopy Schools |
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Has anyone ever heard of a school, as part of the initial hiring process, insisting on coming to visit your place of residence for an assessment?
A new teacher here in DF told me that this is what has happened to him, including taking photos. Everything went well, but I found it odd to an extreme that a school would even attempt such a blatant invasion. They called it a 'socio-economic assessment'. I call it a human rights violation. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| What a weird tale! What was the school looking for, I wonder. If the prospective teacher got a high assessment, would he or she then receive a higher salary to help maintain his or her present standard of living? (I wish there was an emoticon for sarcasm.) |
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ls650
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that seems rather odd to me. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Did they go through their sock and underwear drawer too? 
Big time invasion. |
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lozwich
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I would tell them in no uncertain terms where they could very gently place their job. |
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MELEE
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Guy,
What country was this in?
Mexico?
Definately strange.
Besides the fact that most people we hire are homeless at the time!  |
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ls650
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| lozwich wrote: |
| I would tell them in no uncertain terms where they could very gently place their job. |
Yes, that's easy for you or I to say, but that's not so easy to say if the teacher in question is broke and needs to pay the rent...  |
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lozwich
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I would rather work illegally for a place that I liked, than legally for a place like that. And I have worked at jobs that were seriously crap, but got food on my table in hugely difficult circumstances, but I would never let a company treat me like that. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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The good news is that the school in question is on the up and up as far as FM3s go. The teacher did have other job offers, at equal pay and hours. Just before the school told him of an upcoming 'assessment', the teacher told me that he felt he had been somewhat bamboozled by the school, though since then, he now feels ok about it all.
The only thing I can think of is that the school had hired some awful teachers in the past and came up with this as a filter. Still isn't right in my eyes though. |
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lozwich
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Just before the school told him of an upcoming 'assessment', the teacher told me that he felt he had been somewhat bamboozled by the school, though since then, he now feels ok about it all. |
I think this highlights an important point (and a really good reason for the existence of Dave's  ) - I think that all of the things that come up for a person when they change countries, jobs, in fact their whole lifestyle, can be a little overwhelming. I remember starting in new jobs in new countries and dealing with culture shock, a bit of loss about wherever it is I've just left, nervousness about what the future brings and trying to deal with new job, new apartment, new friends more than a little tiring. I think if you're dealing with all this, and then the employer says something that appears to be a little odd, it can make making decisions a little confusing.
On the good side, usually these things pass, and after the dust has settled the things that seemed very odd before seem perfectly normal with a bit of hindsight. Getting through the confusing times (and having people to talk it out with, or post messages to) is maybe just part of the whole thing?
Good luck to your friend, Guy.
Lozwich. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like we should have a group hug. |
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lozwich
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Was thinking that myself! Don't know what's got into me today!! |
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MO39
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it interesting that the school did come through with an FM-3. One problem I had finding work last fall in the D.F. is that I couldn't find a school that would sponsor me for one, in spite of my fabulous credentials! |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| MO39 wrote: |
| I find it interesting that the school did come through with an FM-3. |
As has come up several times here, immigration-office policies vary greatly throughout the country. In Merida, I've never heard of any legitimate, established schools that were unwilling to sponsor FM-3s for foreigners they were seriously interested in hiring, mainly because school owners who know what's going on are afraid of running into problems with immigration. Eventually, most foreigners who work illegally, along with their employers, get caught by immigration. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| In my case, it wasn't that there were schools that wanted me to work illegally. Several quite reputable schools told me that though they were impressed with my qualifications, they weren't able to hire me (or anyone else, for that matter) if I didn't have working papers. |
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