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Sheikh Inal Ovar

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Of course they speak Turkish, but I never accused them of being Arabs.
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I believe the post to which you were replying talked specifically of finding a job in an Arab country ...
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you are aware that there are actually people who speak Arabic who are not Arabs. |
Fancy that ... whoever would have thought it  |
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Atassi
Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Posts: 128 Location: 평택
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Vuloshin, salaam.
I saw an advertisement not long ago about a dual degree program in Poland. I say "dual" as a university in the US also honors it. It is pretty much fully paid for (you agree to work for a few years while you complete it. I don't remember the university's name, but you should be able to find it.
I also agree with VS that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt are great places for you to go. I recommend Syria, as there's so much to see and it's very hospitable. Good luck with your future plans. Look up "Atassi" when you get there. You'll find many helpful family members
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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So much for my proofreading. Of course they speak Turkish, but I never accused them of being Arabs. (you are aware that there are actually people who speak Arabic who are not Arabs |
In parts of south east Turkey(Iskenderum for example) Arabic is many people's first language, yet they are Turkish. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hey dmb, don't the more religious Turks study Arabic in order to read the Quran? I would have thought that it was taught in schools to everyone or is it only in mosque sponsored schools?
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dmb

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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VS, I don't know any Turks who speak arabic( I am in Istanbul though). Sure medrese(ler) exist-dont ask me where the nearest one is though. in Istanbul there are English, German, french and Italian medium schools. To my knowledge no arabic. I have seen ads in the newspaper for arabic lessons, but again I know of no-one who attends.
Being English teachers we come into contact with Turks who see themselves more as European, I think that's the majority. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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All the Turks that I have met in the US or the Gulf were very secular. I expect that we don't tend to encounter the conservatives who go to Madrassa schools.
Perhaps in rural areas... and as you mentioned, the closer you get to the Arabic speaking countries. But, I suspect that this part of Turkey doesn't have many job opportunities for our OP.
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Sheikh Inal Ovar

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Of the Turks I know who are able to 'read' the Koran in Arabic none understand the meaning of the particular words being read out ... of course they understand the message of that particular part of the Koran, but that comes from their Turkish version ...
... am told, by those Turks that do so, that many are taught to read the Arabic 'phonetically' without being instructed in Arabic as a language of meaning ...
.. am not for one moment, though, suggesting that there are no Arabic speaking Turks capable of reading the Koran in the Arabic ... as some would be wont to interpret .. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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On my visits to Istanbiul I get the impression that there are a lot more religious types about than there used to be.
Is this my imagination ?
I do not remember seeing so many when I first went there in 1991. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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There is certainly a recruitment drive into the ranks of the 'bas ortusu' ...
Younger people are being targeted ... for example, young students studying in a city foreign to them are offered clean, good-quality, cheap accomodation where every evening the kindly landladies discuss with them their problems and the 'good book' ...
Younger children are also taught the value of the 'good book' when having out-of-school help with lessons ... |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
On my visits to Istanbiul I get the impression that there are a lot more religious types about than there used to be.
Is this my imagination ?
I do not remember seeing so many when I first went there in 1991. |
You are probably correct scot. Istanbul is alot bigger than it was in '91. the population boom has come, not from EFL teachers, but villagers from Eastern Anatolia who are alot more religious than the istanbulites we come into contact with and teach. Sure, if you wander into the shanty towns of Istanbul you feel as if you are in Eastern anatolia- very different from the Central business district. |
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