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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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Location: Witness Protection Program
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| But given the new D visa, and if you plan on staying in China a while, you should do everything possible to have your Z visa extended...I would buy the FAO dinner, drinks, etc., etc., you know the usual..cause if you have 5 years worth of uninterrupted Z visas then you qualify for this wonderful new D visa which will make things a lot easier. |
This is a total myth. Five years of uninterrupted stay on any kind of visa does not qualify you, in and of itself, for anything and especially not the "D visa" you mention.
Actually, the entire concept of a "D visa" is also a myth. Since the implementation of the new permanent residency card (i.e. green card), the only function of a "D" visa is to allow those who have successfully applied abroad for the green card to arrive in China and function on a permanent resident basis pending the actual issuance of the green card. Once the green card is issued, the "D" visa in the holder's passport is canceled.
If you are saying that a five-year uninterrupted stay on a "Z" visa (or any kind of visa for that matter) qualifies one for the green card, that is yet another myth. The categories and requirements to obtain the green card are clearly spelled out in the Ministry of Public Security regulations and of the seven categories of people qualified to apply, a five-year stay is required of but two:
1. The elderly coming to live with direct family; and
2. Spouses of Chinese nationals.
And in each of these two instances there is no requirement at all that their five-year stay be on a "Z" visa or, for that matter, on any specific type of visa nor does the stay have to "uninterrupted".
The regulation states:
Those in the two categories I have mentioned must "have lived in China for five years in a row, whose annual stay in China being no shorter than nine months and have stable and secured living status and places to live. Time period of year mentioned in this article refers to the continuous period of time prior to the day of application." |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Joe C. wrote: |
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| But given the new D visa, and if you plan on staying in China a while, you should do everything possible to have your Z visa extended...I would buy the FAO dinner, drinks, etc., etc., you know the usual..cause if you have 5 years worth of uninterrupted Z visas then you qualify for this wonderful new D visa which will make things a lot easier. |
This is a total myth. Five years of uninterrupted stay on any kind of visa does not qualify you, in and of itself, for anything and especially not the "D visa" you mention.
Actually, the entire concept of a "D visa" is also a myth. Since the implementation of the new permanent residency card (i.e. green card), the only function of a "D" visa is to allow those who have successfully applied abroad for the green card to arrive in China and function on a permanent resident basis pending the actual issuance of the green card. Once the green card is issued, the "D" visa in the holder's passport is canceled.
If you are saying that a five-year uninterrupted stay on a "Z" visa (or any kind of visa for that matter) qualifies one for the green card, that is yet another myth. The categories and requirements to obtain the green card are clearly spelled out in the Ministry of Public Security regulations and of the seven categories of people qualified to apply, a five-year stay is required of but two:
1. The elderly coming to live with direct family; and
2. Spouses of Chinese nationals.
And in each of these two instances there is no requirement at all that their five-year stay be on a "Z" visa or, for that matter, on any specific type of visa nor does the stay have to "uninterrupted".
The regulation states:
Those in the two categories I have mentioned must "have lived in China for five years in a row, whose annual stay in China being no shorter than nine months and have stable and secured living status and places to live. Time period of year mentioned in this article refers to the continuous period of time prior to the day of application." |
Again, Joe C., I am sorry but I do not agree with you and this is based upon experience.
Last year I was in a University in Hangzho. There was an American Foreign Teacher from New York of great merit in this university. She was beloved by the students and by the university. She was a very superior teacher. The university wanted her to stay in China for a long time. The students wanted the same. The first several years she received the usual run-of-the-mill Z visa. Then with the issuance of the D visa, the university persuaded her to let them try to get her a D visa.
There is another category to the D Visa that you have NOT mentioned JoeC., and that is for persons of deemed intellectual merit, etc., to the People's Republic. (or something like that). The university applied, the professor gathered all of her papers and she was issued this visa. End of story.
Now I admit -- this American lady was a Harvard undergrad and a Columbia grad and she spoke fluent Chinese but she was not married to a Chinese and she did not have any Chinese sanguinity.
Thus, based upon a first-hand experience I politely cannot acquiesce to your conclusions. |
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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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Location: Witness Protection Program
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Again, Joe C., I am sorry but I do not agree with you and this is based upon experience.
Last year I was in a University in Hangzho. There was an American Foreign Teacher from New York of great merit in this university. She was beloved by the students and by the university. She was a very superior teacher. The university wanted her to stay in China for a long time. The students wanted the same. The first several years she received the usual run-of-the-mill Z visa. Then with the issuance of the D visa, the university persuaded her to let them try to get her a D visa.
There is another category to the D Visa that you have NOT mentioned JoeC., and that is for persons of deemed intellectual merit, etc., to the People's Republic. (or something like that). The university applied, the professor gathered all of her papers and she was issued this visa. End of story.
Now I admit -- this American lady was a Harvard undergrad and a Columbia grad and she spoke fluent Chinese but she was not married to a Chinese and she did not have any Chinese sanguinity.
Thus, based upon a first-hand experience I politely cannot acquiesce to your conclusions. |
No, you are going on second-hand experience, not first-hand.
There are 7 categories under which one may qualify for the green card. The green card supersedes the "D" visa and the "D" visa, except for what I wrote previously, does not exist.
I did not mention all 7 categories earlier as generally only 2 would apply to members of this forum -- and even then. Category number 3 states:
"having major and outstanding contributions to China or needed urgently by China:
The woman you spoke of had to have fallen under this category. Generally it is reserved for folks like the Nobel-Prize-winning Canadian economist who immigrated to China recently or the American woman who worked on the Manhattan Project over 50 years ago and upon being disillusioned with the prospects of nuclear war, came to China to live at the invitation of Chairman Mao. If what you say is true, the woman fell under and was allowed the green card because of category 3.
Now, even under category three, there is absolutely no requirement to have lived in China 5 years ... or even 5 days.
So, we have no seen three of the 7 categories under which one may obtain permanent residence. I do not intend on continuing your education for free. You should be perfectly capable to find the relevant regulation and see for yourself that your beliefs are just that -- your beliefs and totally unrelated to the facts.
And, yes, I speak from first-hand experience. Been there, done that and got the t-shirt. |
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WYSIWYG
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 149
Location: It's good to be in my own little world. We all know each other here!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PSB worked out for me no problem. I was even told I could continue to extend without exiting the country each month. In doing some research, everyone told me that I absolutely HAD to exit the country in order to get a Z cancelled. Apparently this isn't the case, as I have an L in my passport as I type this, and haven't gone anywhere but to the local PSB. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
Posts: 2024
Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey wasn't I the one that said go to the PSB and see what you could work out? |
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tazmania
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 19
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I have the (z visa) resident permit and FEC book (I am totally legal) and it is valid until september.
I am in a (not so good) situation where I may need to change my visa; essentially my employer is saying he can and will cancel my RP with the PSB. I don't doubt this, as I know he is in the city government and he has done this before to other foreign teachers. So I am considering all my options. I can tell you that this is a contractual issue, basically they are unable to provide me with the classes they promised; hence I want out.
Therefore I am planning to go to HK to change my current visa to a F business visa. Will I be able to get an F visa in HK even if my current visa still has 6 months left, and has not been cancelled by the psb in my province? |
7 months later, thought I'd just confirm what happened to me - might be useful to others.
So I quit my job, I told no-one and simply disappeared. I stayed in the same province- indeed the same city and simply worked elsewhere. Anyway, I never went to the PSB. I didn't go to HK. I didn't change my visa. I didn't even leave China.
I stayed on the old RP, in the same city.
I had no relase letter and I did not have my old FEC (or even a copy of it)
I told my new employer about this and they sorted everything out for me.
I received my new visa and FEC within two weeks.
I also didn't need a medical examination. |
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leyrtj
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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Hello all,
I have a question about the Z Visa. I've checked other threads and can't find a specific answer to my query, especially as the rules seem to be ever-changing. Apologies if the question has been answered before.
I have a Z-Visa (Residents Permit) valid until July 2008. My contract finished with my ex-employer in December 2007. I believe that my ex-employer registered with the PSB that I am no longer with the school.
I am now living in UK, and wish to return to China. My question is whether I will be allowed to enter China on this Z Visa and travel around with it? I have this valid Visa (it has not been stamped as 'Cancelled') in my passport but am worried that at immigration they will scan it and see it has been unregistered.
Probably worrying too much but just wanted to check. Thanks for any help. |
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