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BreccaBee



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Homestays in Mexico Reply with quote

I am wondering if anyone knows how much an average homestay would be in the cities of Guanajuato, Progresso and Merida? I am looking for a fair size city in Mexico that is not too polluted and doesn't have a lot of expats as I want to practice my Spanish without being distracted by a lot of expat English speakers. It is too easy for me to let my mind get lazy when there are alot of English speakers around. Any ideas, thoughts? I am thinking about going to Mexico next Jan.

Thanks,

Brecca
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: homestays? Reply with quote

Don't know about homestays, but http://www.luzenyucatan.com/rate3.htm in Merida is about $30+/day.
I assume you are referring to school-sponsored homestays like: http://www.modernspanish.com/family.html which is $20+/day in Merida
In Playa del Carmen, Mexico, the expats weren't nearly as distracting as Spanish-speakers who wanted to sell me something using English! Confused
Using Spanish all the time while learning is exhausting! Even if you don't use English from time to time, you might just start tuning out after the mental effort.
What level Spanish are you?
Maybe you should be asking these questions on a Spanish-speaking forum?
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progreso hardly qualifies as a fair-sized city by anyone's standards. On an EFL teacher's wages, you can't afford homestay in Merida. You won't have much exposure to expats speaking English in Merida unless you seek them out and go out of your way to spend time with them. However, in the parts of the city frequented by tourists, you might find locals wanting to practice their English (and/or sell you things) to be bothersome if your goal is to improve your Spanish. In most situations throughout the city, as long as your level of fluency in Spanish is higher than the other people's level of fluency in English, conversations tend to be in Spanish. I almost never hear or use English except when I'm at school or happen to run into English-speaking acquaintances downtown.
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tortuga



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: More about homestays Reply with quote

Could anyone recommend any in either Puebla, Guanajuato or San Cristobal de las Casas?

Thanx.
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M@tt



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not totally sure what you mean by homestay. anyway, i used to live in fortin de las flores. it's a village, but most of the people there are middle class, so the cost of living is probably comparable to some bigger cities, especially in the south, like merida. anyway, i lived with a family, in a room in their house, and i was like an extra son. at the time i was 26-27. the sons were 27, 28, and 29, so i fit right in. i learned most of beginner's spanish from them. i paid 1200 pesos/month and it included everything but phone calls. a very good deal. if you want to show up in a city, you can probably find housing like that just by asking around. that's what i did and it was cheap, agreeable, very interesting, and probably the best thing i could have done for my first year living here.

good luck. i think connections are your best bet. you won't have any when you get here--just start telling everyone you meet what you're looking for and they'll come up with an aunt or cousin who wants to rent a room.
be careful too.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M@tt wrote:
. . . so the cost of living is probably comparable to some bigger cities, especially in the south, like merida. . . i paid 1200 pesos/month and it included everything but phone calls.

Unless a person lived extremely conservatively, he couldn't get by in Merida on 1200 pesos per month for rent, utilities, meals, drinking water, laundry, and other necessities. I couldn't provide those things to a renter in my house for 1200 pesos per month without losing money. With some searching, it's possible to find a furnished room or small apartment in Merida in the 1500-peso-per-month range including utilities but nothing else. People who provide homestays are accustomed to receiving 20-25 US dollars per day (roughly 6,000 to 7,500 pesos per month,) because that's the going rate for homestays arranged for foreign students by universities and language schools.
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M@tt



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm i didn't mean to suggest that it included meals, sorry about that. it was rent + utilities, and of course it was furnished because i was occupying one of their bedrooms.

going through a homestay mechanism, i'm sure this would be impossible. but asking around through people, i think it's realistic. regular rents for a furnished, one bedroom apt in fortin were about 3000-4000, so the deal i had was about 30% of the normal rate for rent. i don't imagine that merida is more expensive than 3000-4000 for a one bedroom furnished. hell, there is cheaper stuff in mexico city. fortin was a rip-off in my opinion, but i got that deal by asking everyone i knew about renting a room. it was the aunt of a co-worker.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my town a lot of people rent rooms to students and some to single teachers. These are sometimes separate rooms, or special buildings of just rooms to rent, and sometime rooms within the family home. And they range from having no contact with the owners, to being treated like a son or daughter. In the case of rooms within a family home, they are usually older couples or widow who's grown children have moved out leaving them with a big house to themselves. Those are the people most likely to have more contact with their boarders. Rooms start about 400 pesos a month and go up to 1800 a month. Rooms are almost always furnished (were as apartments almost never are) though there is a lot of variety in the quality of the funishings! Sheets and towels are often included and laundered. Other laundry can be arranged, and sometimes meals, or just breakfast can be arranged. The upper end of the price range I mentioned above would include laundry and partial board, possibly a satelite TV connection (but not the TV provided).
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M@tt wrote:
i don't imagine that merida is more expensive than 3000-4000 for a one bedroom furnished.

As I said in a previous post on this thread, it is possible to find a furnished room or small apartment in Merida in the 1,500-peso/month range. It does take lots of asking around and looking in order to find one in a safe neighborhood for that price, however. There are a number of foreigners who spend the winter months in Merida, and many of them think they're getting a super deal when they find a room or efficiency apartment for 2,000-3,000 pesos per month, especially if it's within walking distance of downtown. I've noticed quite a few "For Rent" signs on houses and apartments in various parts of the city lately. However, it's the Yucatecan way for landlords to hold out for high rent and to double it if it's a foreigner who's interested.
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snorklequeen



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:00 am    Post subject: Homestays / and / Favorite Fruits Reply with quote

Ben said: However, it's the Yucatecan way for landlords to hold out for high rent and to double it if it's a foreigner who's interested.

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i have an unpleasant feeling that this is common all over Mexico; my Spanish isn't good enuf to pass for a native, tho' i might be able to on appearance. guess it's time to brush off those bargaining skills!

any tips on how to keep it reasonable would be appreciated!

what kind of legal paperwork is required to lease?

any suggestions on scams to avoid?

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Melee, thanks for the info on peach pie; i would have never guessed it was half mango; we only have one kind of mango in Houston, TX so it'll be great fun to have more variety in Mexico

i went to Mexico for the first time at age 15, and the hotel we stayed at in Acapulco had a breakfast buffet; until then, i had no idea that pineapple does NOT grow in a can; who could eat the canned stuff after having the real thing??? Confused

Queenie
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snorklequeen wrote:
Ben said: However, it's the Yucatecan way for landlords to hold out for high rent and to double it if it's a foreigner who's interested.

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i have an unpleasant feeling that this is common all over Mexico; my Spanish isn't good enuf to pass for a native, tho' i might be able to on appearance. guess it's time to brush off those bargaining skills!

any tips on how to keep it reasonable would be appreciated!

what kind of legal paperwork is required to lease?

any suggestions on scams to avoid?

Back when I used to rent before buying a house here, I tested out the upping-the-rent theory. I called several numbers from rental ads in the newspaper. My accent in Spanish sounded obviously foreign. Then I had a local friend call those same numbers. At least 80% of the time he was quoted a much cheaper price. Whenever I went to check out a place to rent, I took a local friend with me, and he gave the impression that he was the one interested in renting until after the landlord had quoted a price.

As for legal paperwork, many landlords in Merida require an aval, which is like a cosigner, someone who owns local property. It's common to pay first and last months' rent up front along with a security deposit (which is rarely returned, even if the place is left in better condition than it was to begin with,) and sometimes an extra charge for a lease written by a lawyer. (Interesting that two of my three landlords were also lawyers and both charged the extra fee for the lease which they themselves wrote up. My other landlord, actually landlady, had a lawyer do all the paperwork, so I was charged the extra fee there, too, and I paid my monthly rent at her lawyer's office.) In Merida many leases, especially if one rents unfurnished, include a clause that the tenant is responsible for the cost of all repairs, i.e., if something goes wrong with the plumbing or electrical wiring, if the roof leaks like a sieve, if the bathroom sink falls off the wall, etc. Therefore, unfurnished places are much cheaper to rent than furnished ones.

It is possible and cheaper to rent from landlords who provide no paperwork at all, because they are not paying income taxes at hacienda on what they receive as rental income. One of the problems with that, however, is in order to get a work visa, one must provide immigration with proof of a local address, which such landlords obviously aren't particularly anxious to give.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad, but true. When I went apartment hunting, I found that the average rental prices quoted to me were about 2300 pesos for a 2-bedroom. When a local person checked the same apartments with me, the average price magically dropped to only 1800 pesos per month.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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any tips on how to keep it reasonable would be appreciated!

what kind of legal paperwork is required to lease?

any suggestions on scams to avoid?


Bring a Mexican friend. Barring that, if you find a place through a listing somewhere, print off a copy or bring the newspaper with you, so you can show the advertised price.

In Mexico City, many landlords insist that you have a guarantor co-sign your lease and that the guarantor be a property owner in Mexico City. Most often, the people who insist on this have never rented out to a foreigner before. Sometimes, it is impossible to negotiate around this.

Watch that you get written acknowledgement of having paid any deposits, extra/last month's rent, etc, etc. Get it in writing that you are to be returned this money at the end of a lease.

Have to disagree with Ben on hacienda's involvement with paperwork or the lack of it for landlords. A lease isn't a tax document, so, unless you have a commercial rental arrangement with a landlord, and ask for a factura, there's never going to be a paper trail showing IVA collected - which someone would have to pay - and no one files with hacienda. Be very wary of any landlord that charges you IVA on top of rent, or even if they claim IVA is alredy included.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Have to disagree with Ben on hacienda's involvement with paperwork or the lack of it for landlords.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Guy. I have three personal friends who own houses or apartments that they rent out here in Merida. All three of them have told me they have to pay income taxes on their rental earnings at hacienda. I suspect that this is at the state and/or city level for taxes, not at the national level.

I just called one of them to double check. When he and his wife got married, they moved into his house and rented out her house (which they still do.) According to him, if they didn't register as landlords and didn't pay income taxes on earnings from rent, any type of hassle with a tenant who reported them would result in a huge fine, and government officials would plaster a notice stating that the house couldn't be occupied across the door.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that in my area Landlords are SUSPOSED to pay income tax on income generated by rental properties. My first land lady had rent reciepts with her RFC card printed on them and I know she had a personal accountant who handled everything for her. I rented 3 other places after that, and not one of them was on the up and up in terms of paying their taxes. Because of the university, this city lives on rents and most the landlords are not paying a dime in tax, but yet everyone is complaining that the city hasn't fixed X street or Y street and have you seen the condition of Z street? The city, the state and the country are crippled by tax evasion. This city could repave all its streets and probably put in a subway system! if only everyone would start paying 100% of the taxes they owe! I just paid my property tax, it was only 180 pesos! and they gave me a discount because I paid it on time! Like I did them a favor by paying my taxes. Rolling Eyes

Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet and all that just blurted out.

Queenie, I have a list of questions to ask landlords when looking at apartments that I can PM you. Its made with out city in mind, but it might be of some use to you.
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