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hokkaido or northern tohoku?

 
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maryknight



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: hokkaido or northern tohoku? Reply with quote

what's northern tohoku like? i'm thinking the weather is similar to sappora area. what about jobs?
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokkaido has better heating and insulation and easier to understand Japanese. And tastier food. Tohoku has.... nebuta masturi?

Well I haven't lived in either area so someone else will be able to answer better.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some experience in both areas. I second everything kdynamic just posted. Tohoku is freakin' cold. So if you're thinking of going there, get used to the idea of hauling your own kerosene around to try and heat your poorly insulated house in weather that's only slightly warmer than Hokkaido.

Oh, yeah, and the dialect. If you're still thinking of Tohoku, just give up on ever trying to understand anyone over about 50 years old. Of course, there is an accent in Hokkaido, too. But it is much easier to deal with in my opinion.

As you might have guessed, I preferred Hokkaido.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on where you go in Tohoku, I'd give up on understanding anyone who isn't comfortable speaking standard Japanese (which is a lot of people).

I have a friend from Aomori and when she speaks Aomori-ben, even Japanese people in Tokyo can't understand anything she says.

Aomori is kind of special example though, I think, and it has more than one dialect.

Also, I think it depends on whether you're sent to a city or a small town. In a city, you'd probably be ok.

Northern Tohoku is more off the beaten track than Hokkaido, so that's kind of a cool thing about it.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Northern Tohoku is more off the beaten track than Hokkaido, so that's kind of a cool thing about it.

Sure. In the same way "Deliverance" was kind of cool.
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Synne



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shuize wrote:
Mark wrote:
Northern Tohoku is more off the beaten track than Hokkaido, so that's kind of a cool thing about it.

Sure. In the same way "Deliverance" was kind of cool.


North and South aside...

I love how a majority of cities in Tohoku with ONLY about half a million ppl are considered "off the beaten track"

I love how Shinkansen running every hour from any major city in Tohoku to Tokyo are considered "off the beaten track"

I love how mountains surrounding a city classifies that city as "off the beaten track"

I love how "country side" is the number one word that Japanese ppl who are not from Tohoku associated with Tohoku to describe it to foreigners...

...lastly I love Tohoku! Wink

Aomori/Akita/Iwate are all brilliant. They offer the "deeper" side of Japan without the hours of travelling to get to it that you would most likely have to do in most other parts of Japan.

Yamagata/Sendai/Fukushima are especially brilliant if you ask me, great food, great ppl, great history, great scenery.

This is all just my opinion but I found Tohoku to be more "Japanese" then Hokkaido.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you also love the way that Tokyoites refer to Sapporo people as "country bumpkins" even though there are almost 2 million of them up here?

Hey, we just got 'lectric'ty and indoor plumbing last year!!! Next, they'll be doing away with thet thar ol' crank telyphone.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually menat "off the beaten track" in terms of the fact that not many foreigners travel through there or live there compared to other areas of Japan. Living in Tohoku (especially northern Tohoku or, I assume, anywhere outside of Sendai) is a relatively uncommon experience and therefore a bit off the beaten track.

I think that living in Aomori/Akita/Iwate would be a fantastic experience. I'm sure that living in southern Tohoku would also be cool.

The only thing I'd worry about is migration. I don't know how it is on the ground, but there's a lot of talk about Japan's countryside, smaller cities and more remote regions being drained of young people.
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Synne



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sapporo has only two million ppl Glenski!?

How do they survive??!?
Laughing

I mean three million is the bare minimum one needs in order to feel "alive" Wink

You refer to smaller cities as in smaller than Tokyo?

Well it is the largest city in the world by most ratings so Im guessing you're correct.

I understand what you are saying but by no half common sensed standards are the larger cities in Tohoku "small" and "off the beaten track"

Visit Sendai Shi, Yamagata Shi, Akita Shi, Aomori Shi, Morioka Shi, Fukushima Shi and then see if you still share the common Japanese reply to these "country side" cities.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synne wrote:
Sapporo has only two million ppl Glenski!?

How do they survive??!?
Laughing

I mean three million is the bare minimum one needs in order to feel "alive" Wink

You refer to smaller cities as in smaller than Tokyo?

Well it is the largest city in the world by most ratings so Im guessing you're correct.

I understand what you are saying but by no half common sensed standards are the larger cities in Tohoku "small" and "off the beaten track"

Visit Sendai Shi, Yamagata Shi, Akita Shi, Aomori Shi, Morioka Shi, Fukushima Shi and then see if you still share the common Japanese reply to these "country side" cities.


Not meaning to cause offense here.

I mean "off the beaten track", as I said, in the sense of a path that hasn't been beaten down by many people. It has no relation to the size of the city. Pyongang is waaaaaay off the beaten track, not because it's small, but because nobody goes there.

I don't think those cities are "small". That's why I used "smaller". I was comparing them to other cities in Japan. In the sense of small, though even in Canada, I would think of 500,000 people as mid-size and less than 200,000 or less as small. It's my understanding that Sendai is the only city in Tohoku with a population over a quarter million.

So, I think it's fair to refer to those cities as "Japan's smaller cities" or perhaps amend it to say "Japan's smaller major cities". 150,000 or 200,000 is not really a big city in my opinion. I've spent some time in Mito, Ibaraki (250,000 or so) and I don't consider it a big city. My hometown in Canada is around 200,000 and I don't consider it a big city.

I'm not trying to bash Tohoku. I would personally much rather live in a city of 2 or 3 million than in the monstrosity of Tokyo. But this is where I happen to live. I can also see the attraction of living in a city like Akita or Iwate.

So, again, no offense dude. I have to say, though, you seem a bit defensive about this whole thing.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
So, again, no offense dude. I have to say, though, you seem a bit defensive about this whole thing.

In my experience, the same holds true for a lot of the Japanese who live there.

In my opinion, they are defensive because Tohoku is the Appalachia of Japan: It has a great deal of natural beauty but not much of an economy. Outside just a few 'larger' cities jobs are scarce and relatively low paying. Most people who can get out do -- and then work hard to hide their rural accents which are looked down on outside of the region.
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Synne



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main reason Japanese ppl leave Tohoku is becuz they are young and naive and want to conform to the Tokyo allure that addicts on the sole basis that more ppl = more fun.

I give you full marks for realizing that the majority of the cities up in Tohoku are not as big as the majority of the cities down south.

Still I find it ridiculous that ppl actually believe that a one million person city doesnt have as much to offer as a two or three million person city.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synne wrote:
The main reason Japanese ppl leave Tohoku is becuz they are young and naive and want to conform to the Tokyo allure that addicts on the sole basis that more ppl = more fun.

I give you full marks for realizing that the majority of the cities up in Tohoku are not as big as the majority of the cities down south.

Still I find it ridiculous that ppl actually believe that a one million person city doesnt have as much to offer as a two or three million person city.


I don't recall saying that, actually. I'm sure that Sendai has a lot to offer. But it stands to reason that the more you have in a city, the wider variety of things you can support. Is there much of a difference between a 1 million person city or a 3 million person city? I don't know. It probably depends on the cities being compared.
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