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dajiang
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I'm puzzled by this 'new visa'.
Surely we'd have more posts dedicated to this thing.
I think Roger is right that this could be the residence permit.
Can you find more background info on this thing you have?
Like online articles on this 'new visa'?
If it is what you think it is, it sounds like a nice visa to have. But I think there's some info missing here.
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Trillian
Joined: 25 Jun 2005
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Location: Wenzhou China
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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It is a residence permit, yes, but it is in the same format as the previous visas, and I have no corresponding visa (Z, F, or L). It's all I've got working as my visa and, like I said, I can go in and out of the country on it without a proper "visa". Maybe this is normal, I really don't know, but it's the first time I've gotten it this way. I've always kept the Z visa in the past for the duration of the contract and had to apply for a re-entry visa before leaving the country. Really didn't mean to cause a commotion about visas. Sorry for the confusion.
And Roger, dear boy, try Midol, PMS-X, or maybe just a really long hot bath.... |
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cubit
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Changchun
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Legal work visas are no longer called visas and do not have a letter designation. I am sure of this only as of 26 Aug 05, when mine was issued. The new visas are called "Residence Permit for Foreigner in the PRC", taken right off the thing they pasted in my passport (taking another entire damn page, I'm running out!).
OP- Didn't you notice that you employer got you a permit that didn't last the contract term earlier? You should have worked something out with your employer then. Now they are probably pressed for time to replace you and would be too worried to release you even earlier. I have heard, though I have read nothing to back it up, that when you finish a work visa you can then have it changed to a tourist visa. Or maybe it was get a tourist extension or something, and anyway I heard that about the old Z visa.
From everything you have said, it sounds like to are working legally and your school is on the up and up. Won't they help you get an extension on your visa, or help you get a tourist visa? If they don't seem to want to help, try pointing out that they didn't provide a visa for the entire term of the contract and therefore they are (presumably) in breach of contract. |
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cubit
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Changchun
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Advice please |
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| We are currently teaching at a school where we signed the contract before our visas were processed. The contract goes until the 10th of April while our visas expire on the 30the of March. The school is trying to make us stay until the 30th of March before giving us our airfare money, obviously making it impossible to get to a new school or get our visas renewed before they expire. Is there any precedent for this? Does anyone know if they can really do this given the contract? |
Just a thought that might make more sense to me- did you switch the dates here on accident? should it read:
We are currently teaching at a school where we signed the contract before our visas were processed. The contract goes until the 30 of Marchwhile our visas expire on the 10th of April. The school is trying to make us stay until the 10th of April before giving us our airfare money, obviously making it impossible to get to a new school or get our visas renewed before they expire. Is there any precedent for this? Does anyone know if they can really do this given the contract? |
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Trillian
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Location: Wenzhou China
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I signed the contract until April 15th before I was issued a visa (residence permit). For some reason the school was only able to get my visa until March 30th. So I signed a new contract ending March 10th. I (stupidly) never got copies of either contract.
Now that the 10th is approaching and they still have no new teacher to replace me, they have "no recollection" of the second contract corresponding with my work visa and are saying that since I signed until the 15th of April, I have to stay at least until the 30th of March when my visa expires. They're stalling for time basically to get new teachers and holding my airfare money hostage. I'm in the process of "negotiations" now though and it might work out.
I have been planning to finish on March 10th since the beginning so there was no reason to get anything renewed until this came up a few days ago. |
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cubit
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Changchun
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Hope the negotiations go well. Good luck! |
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latefordinner
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| They couldn't get the visa to last for the duration of the contract? Do you really believe that? I've been there once and lost thousands to that scam. 1) Book yourself a flight for as late as possible on the 30th, and be prepared to kiss the money goodbye. It costs a lot of money (500 yuan per day, if I'm not mistaken) to sit on an expired visa, and you know they won't pick up this expense if they happen to be uncontrollably late with your money. If they care to give it to you at all. 2) Do you still have your FEC (red book)? As long as you do, you're still in a position to get a position at another school, one that will do things right. Get yourself a job with a reliable school now. Is the current employer holding your FEC? <shakes head> It's a sign of bad faith when a school tried to hold onto that or any other document that should be in your possession. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| cubit wrote: |
Legal work visas are no longer called visas and do not have a letter designation. I am sure of this only as of 26 Aug 05, when mine was issued. The new visas are called "Residence Permit for Foreigner in the PRC", taken right off the thing they pasted in my passport (taking another entire damn page, I'm running out!).
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Patently wrong, sorry, but it's really wrong to say "legal work visas are no longer called visas..." THis claim only adds to the confusion.
The old letter designations still obtain: letter 'Z' designates a work visa, and such visas are still issued, mind you! You can read up on the matter in the relevant sticky!
A 'Z' visa is issued by (Chinese) Consulates and Embassies abroad, and they are nowadays only TEMPORARY permits for an FT to enter and obtain his or her residence permit.
Often, FTs arrive on one-month work visas - no need to get 12 months any more!
The visa is needed to enter China (the PR of C, not Hong Kong or Macau); the residence permit must then be applied for by your employer WITHIN 30 days.
The novelty of this new scheme is that employers no longer can dawdle once the FT has arrived. They are now under obligation to proceed with all the paperwork within a timeframe. That used to be commonly ignored and abused - some FTs waiting 3 months to get a work visa, residence permit and F.E.C.
Another aspect of the new work visa c.um residence permit scheme is that you no longer need to keep a separate residence permit booklet (which the authorities often forgot to collect back from departing ex-FTs). You now have at most 2 extra stickers in your passport - one bearing the appellation 'Z visa", the other "Residence Permit". They look indeed deceptively similar but are not identical. They simplify things enormously; for example holders of the new residence permit automatically have the right to transit the border throughout their permitted sojourn in China whereas the old work visas came in at least two varieties, namely a single-entry visa (which cost a lot less) and a multiple-entry one.
If the OP intends staying on at his present school then he surely only needs to worry how to tide him over the gap until the new residence permit comes into effect. My answer was spelled out in my first post: he must obtain a visa extension (or "residence permit extension").
As an afterthought - and this has just come to my attention! - newcomers arriving on one-month visas must undergo a medical check-up in-country before they obtain a residence permit sticker (to replace their work visas). If someone is already in-country the medical can be waived (and has been waived in my case on the occasions of the past 2 renewals). |
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