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[paulmanser]

As far as I know only celta and trinity ask for degrees first. Uk university TESOL course DO NOT same for INTESOL and other providers.

Who mentioned TEFL international being legit anyway? I heard a story on this website about their centre in France or whereever it was was closed for some dodgy reason.

Celta course you mentioend costing rouhgly 600 quid must be in POland in Krakow, yes I looked them up from cactus TEFL and they want degree.

What can I say im too excited/EAGER to get qualified and soon graduate jump abroad. not having CELTA/TRINITY is going to amke me totally unemployable only less. Im after your average private school not British council

[Bialonoz]

[Bialonoz]

And just a suggestion, try applying for some short term work with a Callan 'school'. They aren't usually fussy about qualifications and it could be a good way to decide if you really want to live here. Perhaps it's unethical but you needn't tell them that you only want to work there for a few weeks. I wouldn't normally suggest such a naughty thing, but after all, they're competition.

And TFLS (not Callan) really do take people without quals/exp straight off the boat. They often have vacancies.

[paulmanser]

Like the British council told me it does not matter what company/where you get your certificate from as long as the course is some many horus in length and has recognised accreditation. Who accreds TEFL international
courses? actually a question no sarcasm.

Bialonoz, in your opinion si the College of teachers heard of in Poland?

Sorry but id rather have this qualification than crappy TEFL international. I have heard ALOT of dodgy stories about this organsiation now matter hwo big they are.

[paulmanser]

This is a quote taken from the guardian website so dont brush me off this one ebcause its not my written passage. As you see blow it bascially says what I aid load sof time sover, doesnt matter if INTESOL or known or not, bottom line is COT is known.


In the UK the British Council accepts Trinity College, the College of Teachers, Cambridge/RSA and any UK University as valid accrediting bodies, and so tends to be used as a benchmark for recognition. British-based organisations have long enjoyed worldwide respect and recognition in the field of Tefl.

In Ireland, MEI-RELSA is the most widely recognised validation body for Tefl certificates and is required to teach English in MEI-RELSA-registered language schools throughout the country. Thousands of Irish teachers have also used this qualification to teach abroad.

[paulmanser]

From INTESOL you get 3 certificates.

1 x COT certificate from the college of teachers organisation themselves
1 x methodology certificate
1 x Teaching practice certificate outlining performance ect.

What about TEFL international? If they offer you 1 certificate without seeing some sort of valid means of trust worthy recognition then its gonna be crap for that person.

I actually saw a AD for INTESOL graduate preferred on a random wesbite so .......

[Bialonoz]

College of Teachers isn't really known here. A few of us who've been here for years remember it from before the name change. Most employers prefer CELTA/Trinity but some of the larger schools, especially if the person doing the recruiting is British/US, will accept other qualifications if they like the person who has them. Don't touch any school (Berlitz etc) who don't require qualifications unless you're really stuck for work or just doing it to get the experience. Callan 'schools' are usually not too choosy, but they tend to have work only Sept to June.

I would strongly recommend the CELTA though. You can do it here for much less money than in Britain, and it is known and respected everywhere.

[paulmanser]

thanks for the info Bia, uve been really helpful. I just wonder if this is true. Is TEFL actually needed in China? because it seems BA degrees usually be enough or am I wrong? It seems only Europe are keen for both.

By the way How come I TO I, who ask for degrees and their online TEFL 60 HOUR DIPLOMA is enough to get schools in Poland. They do EVERY towna nd city in Poland from Torun to suwalki, from Gdansk to Zakopane you anme it they have a schoolw illing to take fresh stduents.

How does this work? Surely there must be so much demand that their willing to take degrees and OLNY online diploma from I TO I 60 hours

[paulmanser]

Below si the last time about COT from me as its enough now and dont want to bore the board with it.




The British Council does indeed acknowledge the College of Teachers as a valid awarding body for those teaching in its accredited schools, but you need to be careful about which College of Teachers qualification you choose. Only the Advanced Certificate and Advanced Diploma combine theory with observed teaching practice, so no other qualification on its own will be acceptable by them.

Matthew Martin
Communications Officer, College of Teachers

Dave�s ESL Cafe�s Teacher Training Forum


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EBC offers the Advanced Certificate in TESOL as mentioned above.


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The College of Teachers is a chartered body with the power to award officially recognised UK qualifications from introductory certificates through to professorships. It has a very long and illustrious 158 year history as a pioneer in education in the UK and overseas despite its diminutive size (such as developing the original UK school exams and investing the first professor of education), and you can read more on the website (www.collegeofteachers.ac.uk)

The College has the same status to award qualifications through its charter as any university in the UK and as such it does not require validation from any body other than the Privy Council Office.

The British Council (who do not accredit TESOL qualifications themselves, nor are they the regulatory body for TESOL qualifications) accept the College of Teachers, any UK university, UCLES and Trinity College as valid UK awarding bodies which at least meet their minimum standards for providing qualifications which are acceptable for teaching posts in their accredited schools.

The College is not on the DfES list of bodies which award degrees because it does not award degrees. It awards professional qualifications which run alongside HE qualifications and can be benchmarked to them. Some of these are in the field of TESOL, many are not. In the field of dyslexia training (for example) where official lists are maintained the College of Teachers is on the list of awarding bodies (http://www.aqa.org.uk)

I hope this goes some way to clarifying the role of The College of Teacher as an accrediting body.

I would be more than happy to answer any further questions on these or any other points should you wish to ask them. My email address is [email protected]

Matthew Martin
Communications Officer, College of Teachers

Dave�s ESL Cafe�s Teacher Training Forum


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The College of Teachers holds a Royal Charter which grants it the right to award official UK higher education qualifications. This is only available to universities and HE colleges. Our qualifications are accepted all over the world and are accepted by the British Council as valid qualifications for teachers in their accredited schools at certificate and diploma levels.

All our accredited centres are expected to conform to the same standards for the courses which we accredit. Therefore as long as the provider is on our list and the course you are considering is accredited by us you can expect the same high standard whichever provider you choose.

We are able to provide confirmation of your award and its status to any employer who requires it.

Matthew Martin
Communications Officer, College of Teachers

Dave�s ESL Cafe�s Teacher Training Forum

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[Bialonoz]

[paulmanser]

Hi

again many thanks for your help. Im actually going to dos ummer cmap for 8 weeks in Gdansk this summer from 3rd July till mid september.

By the way I TO I offer salary from 2400 to 3600 per month, whcih MUST be out of Warsaw, Krakow ect. Maybe 2500 is the average that they offer. My ideal starter would be with kids and conversation teaching ect. Reason why kids is because I dont like the diea teaching someone older than me if you get my drift.

[paulmanser]

Overal when I get my Degree i'll have the following, some apply some DO NOT;

Qualifications;

Native speaker from UK
EU passport
BA degree pyschology with criminology
4 week TESOL certificate ACCRED BY COT
introductory course form INTESOL
Preliminary course by distance accred by ACTDEC
GCSE
A-LEVELS
8 WEEKS Teaching experience in Poland
I TO I 60 Hour Diploma

[Bialonoz]

And by the way, I just Googled I-I and it is what I thought it was. A very reputable company, reasonably solid owner - don't ask me how I know - but perhaps a little more suited to people who want to go an awful long way away, Bolivia or somewhere, than Poland. It's not that exotic here, and jobs aren't too hard to find. www.ang.pl (all in Polish though) has a good directory of schools, 24 in Toruń, listed here: http://www.ang.pl/szkoly_jezykowe.php?mid=34

I oughtn't to say this, but a lot of schools in Poland are concerned more about hiring staff quickly and cheaply rather than the specifics of qualifications. Sad but true. Scanned degree certificates are not unusual. I suspect a carefully written email to the schools on that list (be vague about your age (Poles stay at university until they're knocking 30 sometimes - just like Germans), emphasise the camp that you did in America) may prove fruitful. Some schools operate on the "dual system" where grammar is taught by Polish teachers and conversation classes by a native speaker. This might be just the thing.

[paulmanser]

I'd never try and flank it with fake qualifications. I wouldnt feel right from day 1.

[Pollux]

Paul, if I were you, I'd get the 3 for 1 cert from INTERSOL, or whatever it's called. Three certs are always better than one! And while you're pondering the finner points of nothing, concentrate on finishing your studies and start thinking about how you'll effectively pass on your knowledge to others. I'll spell it out for you: 1. Degree. 2.CELTA or TEFL(min 4 weeks with teaching practice). 3. Get job. 4. Get experience. 5. Move on... So stop floudering, and get on with it. Good luck and post us on your progress.