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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: Information about AEON |
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I've noticed a lot of people asking for advice on the interviews with AEON. but i have a more general question.
I've been looking more into JET until a couple days ago when i heard about AEON. AEON seems to have a bit more flexibility than JET in terms of application. but it doesn't seem as well known.
am i right with these observations?
is one program distinctly better than the other?
as always, any help is appreciated! |
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womblingfree
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 826
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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JET and Aeon are completely different.
JET is a governmnt based scheme to supply ALT's to high schools in Japan.
Aeon, Nova, Geos, ECC, Berlitz, Shane, yada-yada... Are all private language schools teaching mostly adults in little offices dotted around towns, cities and shopping malls.
JET has better remunerations and is professionally managed and probably looks better on the CV.
All the other private schools are run for profit alone, you are a necessary evil. However you'll probably have more fun at a private language school as you can hang out with students of your own age, and your co-workers will be english speaking graduates. Also you'll be placed in a big city if that's what you want. |
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
JET and Aeon are completely different.
JET is a governmnt based scheme to supply ALT's to high schools in Japan.
Aeon, Nova, Geos, ECC, Berlitz, Shane, yada-yada... Are all private language schools teaching mostly adults in little offices dotted around towns, cities and shopping malls.
JET has better remunerations and is professionally managed and probably looks better on the CV.
All the other private schools are run for profit alone, you are a necessary evil. However you'll probably have more fun at a private language school as you can hang out with students of your own age, and your co-workers will be english speaking graduates. Also you'll be placed in a big city if that's what you want. |
awesome! that's exactly the kind of information i was looking for.
you say it's easier to get placed in a big city with one of the private schools (AEON, nova, etc.), right?
well, how likely is it that you can pick the city you get placed in? i would definitely like to be placed in or near a big city. especially kyoto.
having students my own age sounds great too.
again, thanks so much for the info |
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Perpetual Traveller

Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 651 Location: In the Kak, Japan
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure exactly how picky you'd want to be, for fear of looking a bit difficult, but I asked for something in the Kansai region, which includes Kyoto, at an 'A' school, which means high school and above, and when I received my job offer that is what I got, adults (mostly business people) and just outside Kobe.
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womblingfree
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 826
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfman wrote: |
| well, how likely is it that you can pick the city you get placed in? i would definitely like to be placed in or near a big city. especially kyoto. |
Aeon and I think Geos will ask you to state a first, second and third option.
If you're offered a job somewhere you don't want to go you can usually ask to wait for a placement in your first choice.
One should come up pretty soon, people quit, change jobs and run away on a daily basis.
If you say you only want to go to a small village in Shikoku, or Okinawa, then you could be waiting a long time. Tokyo, Kyoto? No problem. |
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dudelebow
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 42
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I can only speak for the company's EAST division. I had an interesting experience with them. Be careful of these guys. They try to get you to sell your soul to adopt an attitude towards the job that is ridiculous and unreasonable in the name of 'professionalism'. examples: no crossing your legs in class or meetings. call students at their homes when they are absent. calling all students by their last name "mr. sato". laughable, yet mandatory warm up activities. i could go on. the head guy who runs the EAST division and name rhymes with mr. teriyaki is a nutcase. so is their highest ranked western representative who has a familiar speech impediment 'uhh uhh uhh' and last name rhymes with the word 'filler'. the foreign training staff is either fearful for their jobs or have suffered a cult like brainwashing. or perhaps they have just been in japan too long. who knows. anyway.....it all depends on your branch office and managers. if you get on with them, you can get away with anything. if you don't, you better be a 'yes-man' or you can kiss your chances for contract renewal goodbye. they evaluate teachers on the following: teaching, interpersonal skills, and business support. the latter two are just ways if they need to reject a contract renewal offer even if you're a standout teacher. they are not honest and forthcoming about your work performance. if you didn't get along with your manager, then it's your fault and you lacked the interpersonal skills or cultural sensitivity. if you didn't sell enough self study materials, then you lacked the business support. it's a crap shoot. my first 6 months with them, despite the head office's attempt at mental control, was excellent. after the new area and branch manager stepped in, it was downhill for me from there on. proceed with caution.
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womblingfree
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 826
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| dudelebow wrote: |
| I can only speak for the company's EAST division... no crossing your legs in class or meetings. call students at their homes when they are absent. calling all students by their last name "mr. sato". laughable, yet mandatory warm up activities......the head guy who runs the EAST division and name rhymes with mr. teriyaki is a nutcase. so is their highest ranked western representative.......last name rhymes with the word 'filler'.......cult like brainwashing........if you get on with them, you can get away with anything........if you didn't sell enough self study materials, then you lacked the business support. it's a crap shoot. my first 6 months with them, despite the head office's attempt at mental control, was excellent. after the new area and branch manager stepped in, it was downhill for me from there on. proceed with caution. |
I can pretty much vouch for all of the above, although calling people by their surnames is a new one on me.
The problems of Aeon East Japan are caused by bad leadership and an instilled paranoia which prevails at Aeon East.
They 'forgot' to dispatch some necessary documents after I'd left. Every time I called they were very rude and asking very personal and probing questions.
I called head office (the real head office, not the one in Shinjuku) to enquire about this. Everyone was very helpful and seemed rather concerned about the ignorance of their AeonEast colleagues.
Apparently Aeon West is totally different, but I've never met anyone that works for them so maybe it's just a myth.
That 'Driller Killer' guy is the biggest corporate hatchet man it's ever been my misfortune to meet. He started off as a regular teacher not so long ago and oozed his way to the top.
A school with no qualified teachers taught by 'trainers' with no knowledge of training or corporate managment. Quite how a company (and this applies to most eikaiwas) can get into a position where all its foreign staff, from the bottom to the top, are unqualified to do their jobs is remarkable. All you need is to be a nodding yes man.
I work for a company in the UK now and we employ many skilled American workers. Check the resume, have an interview and no need to join an odd cultish band of desperate ex-pats. Simple.
A human resources management course would solve half their problems.
Despite all that nonsense you can still have a very pleasant time if you're at a nice school with a decent manqager. |
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seanmcginty
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 203
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I worked for AEON west for two years and it sounds a lot different. I had no idea there were differences like that between east and west.
I never had to call students at home, never had to call them by their last name, never had to refrain from crossing my legs....
AEON west was pretty good. I never had any dealings with head office people, they pretty much just let me do my thing. The manager and assistant managers observed my lessons maybe 3 or 4 times in 2 years and then offered annoying advice/criticism but that was about the extent of the interference. I didn't have to do any set warm up activities or anything, basically so long as I did that weeks unit in the text I was free to use whatever activities I want.
We had to sell study materials in AEON west too, but I never had head office people pressuring me or anyting. When I worked at GEOS though....boy was that ever a pain in the ass.
I also worked for GEOS, and I have to say a lot of this stuff going on in AEON east sounds like my experience there. The two companies used to be the same (GEOS and AEON), so maybe thats why. |
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