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Pop Fly

Joined: 15 Feb 2003
Posts: 429

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:51 am Post subject:

Aristotle wrote:

Good luck and remember, just because the ROC government is an occupational government they still have the guns and are not afraid of violating your human rights.
A.

And just because Arsistotle has a modem and a keyboard, he still doesn't have a clue, yet isn't afraid of insulting your intelligence.

SanChong

Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 335

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:57 am Post subject:

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Adultery is a criminal offense under the laws of the occupational authority on Taiwan known as the Republic of China.
That means you can be put in jail for committing adultery and it routinely happens on the island of Taiwan. Much the same way you can be incarcerated for having traces of illegal drugs in you system

If it routinely happens, I'm sure you can provide us with ONE concrete example, right?

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Good luck and remember, just because the ROC government is an occupational government they still have the guns and are not afraid of violating your human rights.

Wow. That's one of your most inventive posts. Can you PLEASE even attempt to post credible things, rather than this inflammatory hate language. I'm not really worried, because any regular reader of this forum knows you for what you are. Seriously though, do you have no self respect? What rational basis do you have for any of this?

I'm not even sure if I should respond to your posts of lunacy anymore. It's almost as if by responding, it might provide you with some legitimacy.

markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 661
Location: Wengehua

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:

I said;

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I don't think Steve's being negative about Taiwan. Taiwan still has a level of third worldness about it. That's not negative, it's fact.

SanChong, when I said Third Worldness I wasn't refering to water quality or GDP, I was refering to the fact that many people view the law as 'advisory' rather 'compulsory'. Inadherence to the law is common when the law is viewed as 'getting in the way' or will not accomplish the desired result.

The classic example, and possibly the only example teachers may come across is the bogus contract, the Chinese copy being worded differently to the English copy or the regular breaking of contracts in order to get the job done even if it is to the detriment of the employee concerned. Of course Clark is correct in saying that teachers have recourse in such circumstances, but as schools know most teachers would rather pack up and leave then spend worrying times complaining to the authorities.

Here are a couple of quote from other threads;

Clark wrote:

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How do companies get away with it even though they are so blatant? I think the answer lies in the attitude mentioned above and the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation is that the very legislators and police officials in charge of enforcing the law also enroll their own children in such programs as they see them as beneficial and not something to be closed down.

Fortigurn wrote:

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I have wondered how she can register her school as an English preschool, and advertise it as having a foreign English teacher, when she is literally 5 minutes walk down the road from the local police station.

But she says that in the counties (where she is), the laws aren't applied very strictly.

This behaviour is not the behaviour of a fully developed country. These traits have more in common with developing countries like Thailand and Malaysia than Japan (to give an Asian example).

Sanchong wrote:

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To a certain degree, we need to put aside our Western definition of the word "legal". The word many times has a different meaning here.

No, the law is the law, you are making excuses for the inadequecies of the Taiwanese system. But we also have to consider why people break the law. One reason is because the legislative bodies do not take the right steps to consult with all groups concerned (those that are really affected) before introducing new laws, new laws often being introduced for political brownie points rather than practical reasons. Secondly, as the law is often seen as unfair, people 'bend' the rules for their own gains and protection of their family unit.

Similarly tax avoidance is seen almost as a personal duty. Cash deals to avoid tax are common. Yes, these things sometimes happen in the developed world too, but are far more prevelant in the developing / underdeveloped world. So, when I said Third World, this is what I was refering to.

The next point is;
Sanchong wrote;

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Taiwan's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) per capita is higher than Spain, South Korea, New Zealand... it's MUCH higher than South Africa.

So before I continue I just want to clarify again that when I was talking about third worldness I was refering to 'adherence to the rule of law'. The original post concerned the law and application thereof, nothing to do with GDP.

You are correct in saying that Taiwan's per capita income is relatively high and frankly it scores well with other indicators too. But whether a country is underdeveloped, developing or developed is not simply a case of measuring GDP. Whilst GDP is a measure of a countries wealth, as a stand alone figure it actually tells us very little and has to be looked in tandem with the following;
PPP www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity
Quality of Life Indicators www.calvert-henderson.com
You also need to consider the spread of wealth in a country.
Rule of law is also a consideration.

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