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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
I am really REALLY curious, because these are just not the sorts of jobs I've ever heard about in Japan.


Rolling Eyes Abu, you have taught at exactly 1 university in Japan (not to mention just 1 in Mexico, and 1 in the Middle East--so it's not like you are speaking from experience about the schools there either). You speak/read/write no Japanese and don't even like this country, so the fact that you haven't "heard" of anything is not really surprising.

Here is a list of good universities in Japan:

http://www.debito.org/greenlist.html

There are others Debito has left out. 岡山大学, for instance, has been recommended to me recently by several people, and now apparently offers tenure-track positions for foreigners (my friend got one...then left it for another job). 会津大学 has a similar program to my current university as well, albeit in the sciences. There are others as well--including, again, the place I work at.

Are even these universities perfect? No. Are they the majority? No. Does 立命館 (and the others like it) suck? You bet. Are things getting worse...possibly. (I'd argue things were never that good in the first place.) Is Korea, however, better? No. (Though I'm sure there are great universities there as well.) Is the Middle East better? No. (Though again, there are great universities there as well.)

Finally, I'm not going to discuss my current job, hiring policies, salary, etc. publicly on this list. Only a small number of the people here know who I am--and I like it that way. The bizarre thing is, as several of you know, I've written a number of critical articles about Japanese universities in the past, so it may seem strange that I am "defending" Japanese universities now. I am not. However, this constant whining by one poster about the paradises that are the Middle East and Korea is just absurd. Last time I checked on the Chronicle, 4-5 universities are hiring (again...have to love the turnover in "Paradise") in the Middle East right now--need help getting your aps out, Abu? Wink

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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, I have to say that I really don't understand the hostile tone. But anyway.

abufletcher wrote:
I am really REALLY curious, because these are just not the sorts of jobs I've ever heard about in Japan.


This wasn't intended to indicate incredulity. I am honestly curious.

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Abu, you have taught at exactly 1 university in Japan (not to mention just 1 in Mexico, and 1 in the Middle East--so it's not like you are speaking from experience about the schools there either).


Well, technically that's 3 universities in Japan (counting part-timing), 2 universities full-time in Mexico, and 2 universities (and one company job) in three countries in the Middle East. I'd start to wonder about anyone who had taught an many more universities during a 20 year career.

But you don't have to have worked at a particular university to know about it. I haven't worked at UPM but I know it has a relatively good reputation for professionalism. My knowledge of the workings of other universities here in Japan (beyond the typical small private, typical ex-national, and American-run universities I currently work for) is limited. But I do have colleagues who have worked at most of the major (good and bad) universities in the Gulf and their stories are largely the same as my stories.

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You speak/read/write no Japanese and don't even like this country, so the fact that you haven't "heard" of anything is not really surprising.


Possible a little overstated but I won't argue this. Still, I do regularly look at job anouncements on the Chronicles and AAAL websites (as well as sites for EFL type positions just to keep up to date) and there are precious few university jobs in Japan to be seen. But as you and Paul have posted before, many of the choice jobs are only announced in Japanese.

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Here is a list of good universities in Japan:

http://www.debito.org/greenlist.html


My understanding is that these are universiies that treat foreign staff equally (or at least better) in terms of working conditions and human rights issues but that this list has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the EFL programs. Do these two things overlap with frequency? Good employment conditions = human treatment = good EFL program? I somehow doubt it. BTW, my own university is on this green list but our first year English program is in complete disarray.

How, by the way, would one hear about whether this university or that had a well-run EFL unit? I don't imagine that ordinary members of a community would have any idea about such things. Wouldn't it only be professional EFL teachers talking to other professional EFL teachers? Again I'm absolutely not talking about working conditions or contracts or salaries but rather things like program structure and management. Web sites (either in English or Japanese) only give the vaguest sorts of clues about how things might actually be "on the ground."

But I'll admit that I'm pretty isolated down here in Shikoku. Still, I guarantee that if I lived in a major city I would have somehow heard "through the grapevine" of universities with a strong EFL program. Paul does live in a major city and does speak (and read) Japanese but I've never heard him talk about strong programs. Actually, I've never heard anyone on Dave's describe the structure of a well-run EFL unit. You'd think at least a few stories would slip through.

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has a similar program to my current university


Again, I'm just curious about the rough organization of your EFL unit. Things like rough numbers of students and teachers involved, general approach to the organization of a curriculum.

As an example of the sort of information I'm talking about, I've already said that university language centers in the Gulf can employ from 50-150 MA holders and I'll add that most have a first year intensive program focusing on ESP rather than general English. The classes are fairly traditonally parseled out as reading, writing, and speaking/listening -- though with a strong ESP focus. Classes tend to be around 20. Most EFL teachers teach something like 15-18 hours a week. Usually, there is a course coordinator who will overseas 4-8 instructors teaching the same course (often with shared materials). Above them might be one or more assistant directors. Often there is a unit (or university) testing supervisor (typically with a Ph.D. in testing). Gulf universities are generally very big on CALL and WALL.

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Finally, I'm not going to discuss my current job, hiring policies, salary, etc. publicly on this list.


Honestly, I don't understand this intense need for secrecy about what really should be public matters such as what amounts to a well-organized EFL unit and how (in general) a university finds their faculty. I'm not asking you to identify yourself or your university or any details about your job. I'm just curious about the way that a well-run EFL unit here in Japan might be organized -- and how that might contrast with similar units either in the US or in the Gulf. Perhaps I've never heard about such good programs (which is entirely different from "good universities") because all the staff in those programs are equally tight-lipped.

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However, this constant whining by one poster about the paradises that are the Middle East and Korea is just absurd.


I'm just trying to add a little balance to this list. Japan is not the only country in the world in which to practice professional EFL. The Middle East IS a major job market for MA holders in linguistics and TESOL. This is certainly relevant to the OP's question. There are lots of GOOD jobs in the Middle East that a new MA can be hired into almost immediately. This is generally NOT the case in Japan. If you hear this as "whining" or it provokes "love it or leave it" feelings about Japan, well, that's just you.

Korea a paradise? You're putting words in my mouth. The ONLY thing I have said about Korea is that, my professional opinion, teaching a large class of disinterested Korean university students is, to my mind, better preparation for the challenge of teaching disinterested Japanese university students than working at someplace like NOVA (or as as a human tape recorder in an ALT position). Again I'm only talking JOB SKILLS (including classroom management) here and NOT conditons or salaries. This to me seems almost undebateable and I can't understand why it's gotten you so cranked up.

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Last time I checked on the Chronicle, 4-5 universities are hiring (again...have to love the turnover in "Paradise") in the Middle East right now--need help getting your aps out, Abu? Wink


If I were just looking for an EFL instructor position I'd definitely be looking at the Gulf again. Choices for Ph.D. holders looking to teach subject matter other than EFL are much more limited. But I can tell you that just about the only way to get a job as a regular professor at one of the better univeristies in the Gulf (whcih is the only sort that offers these sorts of positions) is for someone already there to die. Turnover in those positions is extremely rare.

There has also been a recent "flight" of couples with children from top universities in the UAE as these university have either greatly cut or eliminated school fees. So? How many Japanese university provide any sort of subsidies for the children of foreign faculty to attend the horribly expensive international school here?

The best "package" at the moment in the UAE is the Petroleum Institute in Abu Dhabi. It's a great salary with great perks -- but that doesn't make it a great job. Essentially the job is just a glorified first-year "oral communication" for engineers. It's probably the best such program in the Gulf but it's still pretty limiting for someone used to teaching subject courses at all levels of the curriculum from first years to grad students.

There are a very small handful of professorships in linguistics/TEFL but, honestly, it would probably be easier to find a tenure-track job in the US. The American University of Cairo, for instance, can basically pick and choose from all the US full professors who are dying to teach there during their sabbaticals.

Would I, after 10 years in Japan, like to move to another country (all other things being basically the same). Absolutely. If I could I'd have a job that would place me in a new country each 5 years or so. I wish it were possible to get a reasonable job in a country that wasn't rich. Heck, I wish I could have afforded to continue working in Mexico.

Anyway, a little less attitude would be appreciated.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second Abu. Even myself, I have worked at 5 unis (4 currently), and haven't seen any program that is well organized in Japan Confused . Nor have I seen any Japanese university that is trying to hire better qualified permanent full time teachers (or especially the two combined). Unlike Abu, I live in Tokyo and because I have a lot of contact with part-timers, I hear a lot. If you wanted to, you could advertise your uni, but do it in PMs if you want to keep some privacy Razz ! But don't attack the other people who just ask about your 'excellent' program Twisted Evil !
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
I second Abu. Even myself, I have worked at 5 unis (4 currently), and haven't seen any program that is well organized in Japan Confused . Nor have I seen any Japanese university that is trying to hire better qualified permanent full time teachers (or especially the two combined). Unlike Abu, I live in Tokyo


Laughing 青山 is right there, with an excellent faculty. 上智 is pretty strong as well (though less so for straight EFL). Strange that you are "in Tokyo" yet haven't heard of those two institutions...or, perhaps you find fault with even these two universities as well?

If so, good luck finding better working conditions (in all senses of the term, including professional satisfaction) elsewhere. Twisted Evil I mean, no offense, but if things suck so badly here, why do you bother?

I'll pm you (and Abu) my specific program info. 
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
How, by the way, would one hear about whether this university or that had a well-run EFL unit? I don't imagine that ordinary members of a community would have any idea about such things.


The major problem with this is the complete lack of agreement as to what constitutes a "well-run EFL unit." Every single university I've been at claims to have one of these (or the ESL equivalent)...yet almost none were up to snuff (especially in the States) in my opinion.

Now, given the financial and cultural constraints, I think the information sent to you via pm describes a reasonably well-run EFL program. Will you agree? We'll see....

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Still, I guarantee that if I lived in a major city I would have somehow heard "through the grapevine" of universities with a strong EFL program. Paul does live in a major city and does speak (and read) Japanese but I've never heard him talk about strong programs.


Paul is quite knowledgeable about Japanese universities. While he can speak for himself, I'm willing to bet that his definition of a "good" university is a bit different from yours (and mine). E.g., working conditions will be a major concern...judging from pms and e-mails I've exchanged with him, he shares my cynicism about the "perfect" EFL program. Still, I may be wrong....

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Actually, I've never heard anyone on Dave's describe the structure of a well-run EFL unit. You'd think at least a few stories would slip through.


This phenomenon has been discussed here before. People at good (or at least better--e.g., mine's certainly not perfect) universities rarely (if ever?) come to this board. Why should they?

The fact is, though, that a lot of people do successfully make a career here. It's difficult--for a lot of reasons--but it does happen. And you know, of the career people I've met, most seem pretty darn satisfied with their lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what its worth, this year I will be starting at Doshisha University, which is one of the top five private universities in kansai. I have worked in the Womens University and the Junior college between 1996 and 2000


While I dont know what Abu's definition of a good program is, Doshisha has fully tenured, non-contract professors as well as contract professors. What i have seen of the campus and facilties (state of the art CALL equipped rooms, and all the bells and whistles. All part timers have TESL masters degrees and the tenured faculty had phDs.

Are you talking about the quality of teachers? the actuall content of courses? Doshisha has a lot of part timers as well as 2-3 tenured foreigners in each department. Many students want to be taught by Japanese professors. Courses run the gamut from Information technology, cultural studies, literature, video, ESL, conversation-type courses. English is NOT the only department in the university and the campus itself (Kyotanabe) is miles from any urban center (40 minutes from Kyoto or Osaka). Prestigious school, lots of money spent on its program, but in the final analysis its only as good as its teachers and the schools reputation among its students

Baseball player Furuta Atsuya is an alumnae, as is pop singer Kuroki Mai.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught at Doshissha women's university, I think, about 5 years ago. It was a Spring class run by ECC. All that I can remember was that I had never seen so many wealthy, great looking young women in the same class room. You are a very lucky man PaulH.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
All that I can remember was that I had never seen so many wealthy, great looking young women in the same class room.


Sounds like a well-run EFL unit to me.... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the input. I've heard good things about Doshissha as well -- though never anything specific.

I guess when I was thinking of a good EFL program I was thinking in terms of a well-organized general ed English program rather that "English Departments" or all the other sorts of departments that foreign faculty end up in. I suppose this was in the context of this thread where we were talking about positions for new MA's rather than faculty positions. To get into a "department job" I think someone with only an MA would also have to have LONG YEARS of university EFL experience, a few publications, (and probably a lot more Japanese that I have).

On the other hand, an MA and a couple of years of experience should be enough for a short-term contract position teaching general ed EFL.

My own department is reasonably well organized (or has been at various times in the past) but the general ed classes are a disaster. Personally, I don't think it would be any loss if the university simply abolished the 1-year of foreign language requirement -- or made students take German or Tagolog or Spanish or Chinese instead.

Our department has its own first year EFL courses and they are not too bad, we just don't have faculty particularly able to teach them since I'm really the only person in the department with an EFL background.

Congrats Paul! :

PS. So once again we see an forum battle resulting from a simple lack of a common shared definition. Sorry. cry:
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
I taught at Doshissha women's university, I think, about 5 years ago. It was a Spring class run by ECC. All that I can remember was that I had never seen so many wealthy, great looking young women in the same class room. You are a very lucky man PaulH.


I will concur with you on that point. I mainly taught junior college for four years and they were younger, 18 and 19 year olds fresh out of the high school. A lot of Daddy's money in the room. Could even set up a Louis Vuitton or Gucci outlet on campus and it would do well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess when I was thinking of a good EFL program I was thinking in terms of a well-organized general ed English program rather that "English Departments" or all the other sorts of departments that foreign faculty end up in. I suppose this was in the context of this thread where we were talking about positions for new MA's rather than faculty positions. To get into a "department job" I think someone with only an MA would also have to have LONG YEARS of university EFL experience, a few publications, (and probably a lot more Japanese that I have).


Hence, the confusion--we've been talking about different things. I've been talking about department jobs (and the necessary EFL support required with even those students). Indeed, I fully agree that "a well-organized general ed English program" does not exist in Japan. And yes, just banning the darn requirement would help. I mean, it's not like any education really takes place in those classes anyway....

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PS. So once again we see an forum battle resulting from a simple lack of a common shared definition. Sorry. cry:


Agreed. Group hug! Very Happy
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I think I see a tear... nope just the toyu.
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青山 is right there, with an excellent faculty.


I work there at Aoyama, some of the programs are messed up, seminar classes with 30 students are common Confused . Teachers are a good bunch, but a lot of part-timers. Some of the full timers are somewhat qualified for their positions, of course don't want to point any fingers Rolling Eyes also some of the full timers are misplaced (literature majors teaching in the business department, of course, I see the connection Twisted Evil ).

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上智 is pretty strong as well (though less so for straight EFL).


Sophia has probably one of the best English programs in Japan, but the way they treat their full time foreign staff doesn't encourage some to stay there long.

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Strange that you are "in Tokyo" yet haven't heard of those two institutions...or, perhaps you find fault with even these two universities as well?


I think I answered those two questions already Rolling Eyes ! See, we have to think about how we define staff who are 'well treated'.
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taikibansei wrote:
I'm not going to discuss my current job, hiring policies, salary, etc. publicly on this list. Only a small number of the people here know who I am--and I like it that way.


Dell Hymes is that you? I like your new found use of smilies.
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