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Pollux
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 Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: SALTS |
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Is it a hard requirement to have a MA to work for SALTS? I have a BS and TEFL and three years of experience teaching in Europe. I'm also ex- military(E-4) and I worked for major defence contractors for twelve years. Am I a contendenter for SALTS? I'd like to do a MA, but I'd hate to waste my time and money if I didn't have to.
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dmb
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| I'd like to do a MA, but I'd hate to waste my time and money if I didn't have to |
 Then why do want to do one? |
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Pollux
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I will. I'm not saying that it's not worth doing. It is, but it costs a lot of money and it takes time. I'm just asking if it's necessary to work for SALTS. |
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Pollux
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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DMB,
Let me rephrase my question. Do you think that an MA would prepare me for sneering at others and answering a question with a question?
Let me help you. It's OK to say ' How would I know?' |
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veiledsentiments
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Pollux,
Never mind dmb... as you can see by his number of posts, he posts a lot... sometimes funny... sometimes sarcastic... sometimes obscure. Sometimes even useful. 
Did you try a search on SALTS? Someone may come and answer your question, but why not just send them an application and see what happens. Your background and experience may appeal to them. Or look at other military based Saudi jobs.
But, I'd say that if you are planning to stay in this field for another... say 10 years... doing an MA is probably worth the investment. It certainly makes you eligible for the jobs with better pay and conditions.
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dmb
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry if I upset you Pollux. What I meant was that you should do an MA in EFL if you are interested in the field not because you have to.
Best of luck if you decide to apply for SALTS. |
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Pollux
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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No offense taken.
I do understand the benefits of education for more than monetary reasons. I nearly finished a MBA while working 60 hours per week. Do try that!
I meant to ask if SALTS or ARAMCO only hires teachers with an MA.
I was hoping that some of you have friends who teach there and can answer my questions .
If you do, please do put me in touch with them.
They (SALTS) don’t seem to be interested if you’re outside US.
MA degrees are expensive, and needless to say, are easier earned when you have the money. Maybe it’s just me, but I hate debt. If it’s possible to work and earn decent money and do your MA at the same time, I’d prefer that. |
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dmb
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| Maybe it�s just me, but I hate debt. |
It's not just you... I'm Scottish.
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I meant to ask if SALTS or ARAMCO only hires teachers with an MA. |
I'll have to answer that one with
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Pollux wrote: |
| Maybe it�s just me, but I hate debt. If it�s possible to work and earn decent money and do your MA at the same time, I�d prefer that. |
Are you American? You might want to look into the MA Fellowship program at the American University in Cairo. I agree about the debt thing, so I managed to get into this program. At the end of two years, you have a free MA in TEFL. It is a recognized US program and you pay for it by teaching a few hours a week. It is free tuition and a stipend that almost keeps you from starving. I brought a bit of money each month from savings because I didn't really want to live like a starving grad student.
It is too late for this September, but you might want to look into it for 2007.
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tianjinj
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: MA NOT required |
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| I have no first hand experience with SALTS, but I was hired (and worked) for Aramco without an MA and w/o any kind of degree or cert. in TESOL. My recruiter told me what they ask for and what they will take are 2 different things. Just show them how what you have done will enable you to do the job. If you look like the kind of guy they want to hire, they will hire you. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: Hear! Hear! |
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| kilometro parado wrote: |
| The good ones you don't mind seeing, the idiots (and there were a handful) that I had to work with and |
Quite!
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A small number were complete misfits.....probably would be unable to hold down a job in the US.
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Would someone with the name rhyming with Tug Blevens fit into any of the above quotes? |
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Jeddah Aquanaut
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Re: SALTS |
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| Pollux wrote: |
Is it a hard requirement to have a MA to work for SALTS? I have a BS and TEFL and three years of experience teaching in Europe. I'm also ex- military(E-4) and I worked for major defence contractors for twelve years. Am I a contendenter for SALTS? I'd like to do a MA, but I'd hate to waste my time and money if I didn't have to.
Thanks for your advice. |
That should be more than enough. People have been hired with less. Other people have more degrees than a thermometer, yet you wouldn't know it by observing them in either the class or the office. Military experience would be great; it'd give you a lot to talk about with students, be they NCO's, cadets or officers. It's a military language job; teachers should at least have an interest in things military. One need not have been military, but most people there would neither know nor care about the difference between a PATRIOT missile, the Patriot act, and Mel Gibson's The Patriot. Being with a defense contractor would mean you know the ups and downs of being employed by one. Sometimes the Saudis aren't the problem.
On the subject of SALTS as a contractor, I don't know what others have posted, but I never had a problem with them. Salary was on time, benefits paid. For a local company, few if any problems. Overall, two thumbs up for the sub-contractor. Others however, warrant you always checking your six. It can go from SNAFU to FUBAR very quickly. Good luck... |
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Pollux
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice.
Although there seems to be a US side of the market, it is definetely well hidden. SALTS doesn't even show up on the Net and neither does Northrop nor anyone else. Is it me, or have they stopped hiring? On the other side, BAe has posted a job in Riyadh lately asking a lot less than they had before. Does anyone know a name to contact some US employers? Thanks again. |
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