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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: Slavedrive your gaijin teachers |
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Here's a new take on ESL, courtesy of a website
for some company named Rock Bay in Tokyo.
http://www.ceoenglish.com/
It advertises English language courses with an interesting edge:
Salespoint: Learning English to exploit your gaijin underlings.
As it says on the site:
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GAIJIN O KOKITSUKAU EIGO!
SHACHOU EIGO
"Amerikajin ni akogareru na! Kokitsukae!
"Gaijin ni nameareru na! Name kaese!"
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Or not-very-loosely translated:
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ENGLISH TO SLAVEDRIVE YOUR GAIJIN!
CEO ENGLISH
"Don't feel beneath Americans! Use them up!
"Don't get dissed by the gaijin! Diss them back!"
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That's just the titles. It just goes on from there....
Have a look for yourself:
http://www.ceoenglish.com/
It's next seminar is Saturday, March 22, in Shibuya, BTW. Anyone want
to attend? |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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that is unreal. |
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newyorkbunny
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 75 Location: Tottori
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Paul, did you go to the seminar? |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: |
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newyorkbunny wrote: |
Paul, did you go to the seminar? |
No I didn't. This has just come in.
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"SLAVEDRIVE YOUR GAIJIN" ENGLISH SITE
SOFTENS ITS TONE
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Tuesday, April 11, 2006
Only last Saturday I told you about the website which offers seminars
on "English for Slavedriving Gaijin" (gaijin o koki tsukae!)
http://www.ceoenglish.com/
Well, less than a week later, the site has been toned down.
The words "gaijin" and "American" have been removed (the latter after a
request from group "Americans for Equal Treatment"
http://www.geocities.com/americansforequaltreatment/introduction.html
and replaced with the softer "gaikokujin" word for foreigner variant
throughout.
The word "slavedrive" has also been replaced, with:
"Gaikokujin to watari au"
(Cross swords/exchange blows/argue/tackle foreigners)
Also, there is a disclaimer in red that "This site is in no means meant
to insult particular foreigners (tokuktei no gaikokujin), or instill
animosity towards them."
Nevertheless, the salespoints are still by and large the same, with the
rubric of "weak Japanese versus strong foreigner", and how to bite them
before they bite you.
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Two more items (Japanese original text at the very bottom if your mail
server can read it) that warrant attention:
First, I have obtained email announcements from the company outlining
more closely what they're up to. The original Japanese is included at
the very bottom. There's a lot to translate, so those with busy
schedules (you know--the gaijin that are more likely to terrorize their
Japanese employers) can download a sample of one of their lessons:
How to use English to deny a raise to "John", who "doubled the sales
and nearly tripled the profits" of the company, and who threatens to quit
in a huff. It cuts off before it gets really dramatic... (sound file)
http://www.ceoenglish.com/dl/Audio_SalaryRaise.WMA
Boiling down the boilerplate, the seminar claims that instead of
spending thousands of dollars on eikaiwa schools, you can learn within 2
hours the basics, how not to not be scared of working with gaijin (sic)
anymore, and how to pronounce like a native!
This sound pretty ambitious, given that the director of this seminar
indicates immediately below that 99% of this seminar will be in Japanese!
Second, a friend of mine (a Permanent Resident) wrote to the site to
ask if foreigners could also attend the seminars on April 22 in Tokyo.
This is what the organizer, a Mr Iwasaki Masahisa, said in reply (my
translation):
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From: "info" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:03:48 +0900
Subject: RE: Seminar
Thank you very much for your inquiry, and for your interest in our "CEO
English" seminar.
In response to your question, whether it would be permissible for
honorable foreigners (gaikoku no kata) to participate, this seminar is on
"how to learn English" (eigo gakushuu hou) aimed at Japanese people.
Also, this will all be in Japanese (there will be a little English, but
99% of it will be in Japanese).
But basically, it is not the case at all that people from whatever
country cannot participate. However, probably, honorable foreigners who
honorably use English [NB: sorry for this contrived literal translation,
but this is quite a contrast from all the rough and adversarial
language up on the site] , also for native speakers of English, I think the
contents of the course will be quite boring (taikutsu).
However, we will offer an Advance Seminar, where we will debate and do
speeches. How about participating then?
We look forward to your continued interest in "CEO English". If you
have any questions, please contact me, and I will answer as soon as
possible.
"CEO English" Sponsor, Iwasaki Masahisa |
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newyorkbunny
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 75 Location: Tottori
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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What a load of diatribe! They are making themselves sound inadequate. I'd like to see the types who would be attracted to this nonsense. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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How to use English to deny a raise to "John", who "doubled the sales and nearly tripled the profits" of the company, and who threatens to quit in a huff. It cuts off before it gets really dramatic... (sound file)
http://www.ceoenglish.com/dl/Audio_SalaryRaise.WMA |
Well, if you ask me, John's a p-ssy.
He needs to stand up and kick that manager in the throat: "What good is your stupid-ass seminar now, B-tch?" |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, John's a patsy for sure. This dialog needs some sound effects of some up-side the head whoopin' and a little "Who's the BIYACH NOW" action!
Seriously, my question is: What the heck kind of accent does "the boss" have? My money's on something Slavic. The guy has obviously spent time in the US but not enough to erase the RP English he probably learned in school. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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"LEARN ENGLISH TO SLAVEDRIVE YOUR GAIJIN STAFF"
"Rock Bay" Eikaiwa school "For Executives" in Tokyo offers a unique
experience: How to "slavedrive" (koki tsukau) and take advantage of
"gaijin" underlings before they take advantage of you. "Don't let
them diss you--diss them back!", runs the course's tag line. A
sample lesson we received describes how to refuse a pay raise to your
gaijin despite him doubling your company's sales and nearly tripling
your profits! Follow-up emails from the person who runs the place
indicate how foreigners are not welcome to join the class, because
they might find it "boring", and how the class will be conducted "99%
in Japanese", yet claims to teach you the basis of exploitation in
English in a mere two hours! Subsequent protest from the public had
them amending and softening the site's adversarial attitude in a mere
couple of days (losing the word "gaijin", and changing "slavedrive"
into "cross swords with" etc.), calling into question just how
effective their assertiveness training must be. Information site,
reproduced emails, sample lesson, and printouts of the "before" and
"after" Rock Bay sites are available here:
http://www.debito.org/CEOenglishsite.html
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The boss of this school says he worked with a GPS company
cf. http://www.ceoenglish.com/08-profile/index.html
and this "Dr. Paul McBurney, CTO of E-Ride" fellow whom he cites as a
reference turns out to be, whaddo you know, also the co-founder of a
gaishikei GPS-related company.
cf. http://www.ceoenglish.com/01-kyozai/index.html
I would think that a couple of well-worded emails/letters explaining
Mr. Iwasaki's views/reflections on his experience with this gaishikei
to (i) the CEO (other co-founder), (ii) the head of the Japanese
branch, and (iii) this Paul McBurney person himself would make
interesting reading for them, seeing as this Iwasaki person obviously
thinks that this gaishikei GPS company screwed him over pretty
majorly, else he would not have created a company whose main focus is
to instruct you how to fight back against evil gaishikeis and a@@hole
gaijin bosses/co-workers. Would probably be better to go to his
class and get it on tape first though-- you just KNOW he is going to
slam this company orally in his classes, as that is his main
credential....
Here is the address of the Japanese branch:
http://www.eride.com/contact/contact.htm
...and the list of Board members
http://www.eride.com/who/mgmt.htm
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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...And another one bites the dust
And another one bites
And another one bites
And another one bites the dust
Bang! Bang! Bang!
And another one bites the dust
(And another one bites
And another one bites
And another one bites the dust)
Bang Bang Bang! |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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And now the latest update on this situation...
(From my e-mail inbox today).....
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"SLAVEDRIVE YOUR GAIJIN" CEO ENGLISH COURSE
APOLOGIZES AND REWRITES THE WEBSITE
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April 20, 2006
Remember that site that advises you to learn "CEO English", in case your "gaijin" (sic) staff diss you, sue you for sexual harassment or job dismissal etc.?
Well, the person in charge of the course, a Mr Iwasaki, has apparently had a change of heart. After a number of protests from cyberspace, he's completely rewritten the tag lines, removing all references to being "dissed by gaijin" and "dissing them back". Instead, there stands inserted the sweet, "English is important. But that alone isn't enough to cross swords!"
There are now also fattened disclaimers in red, about how this wasn't a site directed towards hatred of "honorable [now honorable] foreigners". "Quite the opposite, in fact!" Now the site apologizes for causing any hurt feelings and asks to be allowed to correct its tone.
Finally, the whole write-up about the uses of it's lessons--how to deal with sexual harassment threats and lawsuits by "gaijin", and other preemptive measures to deal with and exploit the threatening foreign element, were completely rewritten--to depict the challenges within the language and situations instead of demonizing the gaijin.
You can go to the site directly and see for yourself:
http://www.ceoenglish.com
Or you can go to debito.org, with the historical record in screen capture, and compare it to the site as of April 20, 2006:
http://www.debito.org/CEOenglishsite.html
I might add, however, that the original English lesson, of how to deny a raise to a very profitable foreigner, is probably still part of the syllabus as it remains on the site:
http://www.ceoenglish.com/dl/Audio_SalaryRaise.WMA |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Of course the funny thing about that audio excerpt is...
Although the "Japanese" employer, "successfully" denied a raise to the foreign (already "overpaid"), employee he was also successful in driving away an employee with an outstanding sales record to another company...
So what was this lesson supposed to achieve? How to fire a foreign employee in a round a bout way?
Maybe the next tape he should order is one on successful management of human resources (part 3 - making your successful employees feel wanted)...
over and out... |
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buddhaboyjp

Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Dai Po, Tai Wo
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: |
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JimDunlop2 wrote: |
"honorable [now honorable] foreigners". "Quite the opposite, in fact!" Now the site apologizes for causing any hurt feelings and asks to be allowed to correct its tone.
Finally, the whole write-up about the uses of it's lessons--how to deal with sexual harassment threats and lawsuits by "gaijin", |
Hahahaha. Well done Jim and PaulH!
Question, If I may: How do you say 'honorable gaijin"?
Ogaigokujin? Gogaigokujin? |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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gaikokujin no kata |
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