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Floyd_
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: Mexican drug policy |
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I just heard the news that Mexico is on the path to decriminilizing small amounts of most drugs. Thoughts? Reactions?
Suddenly Mexico is extremely appealing. Not so much because of the drugs, but certainly because of the freedom to use them if i want.
There will be consequences from america though.  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Can you put up a link to the story if you read it online? Mexico City seems to be moving in the other direction, looking to crack down on trafficking. I hadn't heard anything about decriminalizing.
Out in the countryside, it seems the police do much of the trafficking. I guess decriminalization would make it easier for them. |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: drugs |
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Televisa ran a story today complete with the legal possession limits for the new decriminalization law in the works. Opium, peyote, everything. 5 grams of marijuana. About 25 drugs are contemplated.
They did pass a law allowing state and local govts to enact and enforce drug laws. It appears that only the feds could, had the authority to that is, arrest before. Crazy. |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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M@tt
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 473 Location: here and there
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| does anyone think it actually makes a difference in mexico if something illegal is "decriminalized"? people will just save on mordidas. otherwise i think the impact will be nil. |
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corporatehuman
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mexico Votes to Decriminalize Some Drugs
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 29, 2006
Filed at 9:06 a.m. ET
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexicans would be allowed to possess small amounts of cocaine, heroin, even ecstasy for their personal use under a bill approved by lawmakers that some worry could prove to be a lure to young Americans.
The bill now only needs President Vicente Fox's signature to become law and that does not appear to be an obstacle. His office said that decriminalizing drugs will free up police to focus on major dealers.
''This law gives police and prosecutors better legal tools to combat drug crimes that do so much damage to our youth and children,'' said Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar.
The Senate approved the bill Friday in the final hours of its closing session. Mexico's lower house had already endorsed the legislation.
The measure appeared to surprise U.S. officials. State Department spokeswoman Janelle Hironimus said the department was trying to get ''more information'' about it. One U.S. diplomat, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said ''we're still studying the legislation, but any effort to decriminalize illegal drugs would not be helpful.''
Some worried the law would increase drug addiction in Mexico and cause problems with the United States. Millions of American youths visit Mexico's beach resorts and border towns each year.
''A lot of Americans already come here to buy medications they can't get up there ... Just imagine, with heroin,'' said Ulisis Bon, a drug treatment expert in Tijuana, where heroin use is rampant.
In off-the-record chats and through their communications with U.S. officials, Mexican officials tried to depict the drug bill as a simple clarification of existing laws. But the changes are clear.
Currently, Mexican law leaves open the possibility of dropping charges against people caught with drugs if they can prove they are drug addicts and if an expert certifies they were caught with ''the quantity necessary for personal use.''
The new bill drops the ''addict'' requirement, allows ''consumers'' to have drugs, and sets out specific allowable quantities, which do not appear in the current law.
Those quantities are sometimes eye-popping: Mexicans would be allowed to posses 2.2 pounds of peyote, the button-sized hallucinogenic cactus used in some Indian religious ceremonies.
Police would no longer bother with possession of up to 25 milligrams of heroin, 5 grams of marijuana (about one-fifth of an ounce, or about four joints), or 0.5 grams of cocaine -- the equivalent of about 4 ''lines,'' or half the standard street-sale quantity.
The law lays out allowable quantities for a large array of other drugs, including LSD, MDA, MDMA (ecstasy, about two pills' worth), and amphetamines.
However the bill stiffens penalties for trafficking and possession of drugs -- even small quantities -- by government employees or near schools, and maintains criminal penalties for drug sales.
Sales of all those drugs would remain illegal under the proposed law, unlike in the Netherlands, where the sale of marijuana for medical use is legal and it can be bought with a prescription in pharmacies.
And while Dutch authorities look the other way regarding the open sale of cannabis in designated coffee shops -- something Mexican police seem unlikely to do -- the Dutch have zero tolerance for heroin and cocaine.
Sen. Miguel Angel Navarro of the leftist Democratic Revolution Party argued against the bill. ''This authorizes the consumption of opium, morphine, heroin, cocaine, and a variety of drugs that can only be bought illicitly.''
Roman Catholic Bishop Jose Guadalupe Martin Rabago, president of the Mexican Council of Bishops, also expressed concern.
''It's not by legalizing the possession or use of drugs that drug trafficking is going to be combatted,'' the bishop told reporters, ''and that's why the government should be cautious about implementing this measure.''
The law comes at a time of heightened tensions over a U.S. proposal for immigration reform, including legalization of many of America's estimated 11 million undocumented migrants.
A demonstration by thousands of Mexican workers Friday to promote union solidarity turned into a protest against America's vast influence on the nation's economy, with many protesters saying they will take part in a boycott of U.S. products next week. The proposed boycott is timed to coincide with Monday's ''Day Without Immigrants'' protest in the U.S., aimed at pushing Congress to approve the immigration reform.
Ethan Nadelmann, director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, said Mexico's bill removed ''a huge opportunity for low-level police corruption.'' Mexican police often release people detained for minor drug possession, in exchange for bribes.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Mexico-Drugs.html |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: odd news |
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This came from Yahoo�s Odd News.
Mexico to decriminalize pot By Noel Randewich
Sat Apr 29, 1:23 AM ET
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Possessing marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime in Mexico if they are in small amounts for personal use under new reforms passed by Congress that quickly drew U.S. criticism.
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The measure given final passage 53-26 by senators in a late night session on Thursday is aimed at letting police focus on their battle against major drug dealers, and President Vicente Fox is expected to sign it into law.
"This law provides more judicial tools for authorities to fight crime," presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar said on Friday.
He said the reforms, which were proposed by the government and approved earlier this week by the lower house of Congress, made laws against major traffickers "more severe."
The legislation came as a shock to Washington, which counts on Mexico's support in its war against drug smuggling gangs who move massive quantities of cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamines through Mexico to U.S. consumers.
"I would say any law that decriminalizes dangerous drugs is not very helpful," said Judith Bryan, spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City. "Drugs are dangerous. We don't think it is the appropriate way to go."
She said U.S. officials were still studying the reforms, under which police will not penalize people for possessing up to 5 grams of marijuana, 5 grams of opium, 25 milligrams of heroin or 500 milligrams of cocaine.
People caught with larger quantities of drugs will be treated as narcotics dealers and face increased jail terms under the plan.
The legal changes will also decriminalize the possession of limited quantities of other drugs, including LSD, hallucinogenic mushrooms, amphetamines and peyote -- a psychotropic cactus found in Mexico's northern deserts.
Fox has been seen as a loyal ally of the United States in the war on drugs, but the reforms could create new tensions.
A delegation from the U.S. House of Representatives visited Mexico last week and met with senior officials to discuss drug control issues, but was told nothing of the planned legislative changes, said Michelle Gress, a House subcommittee counsel who was part of the visiting team. "We were not informed," she said.
HARDENED CRIMINALS
Hundreds of people, including many police officers, have been killed in Mexico in the past year as drug cartels battle for control of lucrative smuggling routes into the United States.
The violence has raged mostly in northern Mexico but in recent months has spread south to cities like vacation resort Acapulco.
Under current law, it is up to local judges and police to decide on a case-by-case basis whether people should be prosecuted for possessing small quantities of drugs, a source at the Senate's health commission told Reuters.
"The object of this law is to not put consumers in jail, but rather those who sell and poison," said Senator Jorge Zermeno of the ruling National Action Party.
Hector Michel Camarena, an opposition senator from the Institutional Revolutionary Party, warned that although well intentioned, the law may go too far.
"There are serious questions we have to carefully analyse so that through our spirit of fighting drug dealing, we don't end up legalizing," he said. "We have to get rid of the concept of the (drug) consumer."
(Additional reporting by Anahi Rama) |
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thelmadatter
Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 1212 Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!
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