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Ben Round de Bloc
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Guy Courchesne
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My Norwegian is rusty, but I caught a few words.
"Foreign scum...blasted present perfect...may a thousand pigs forever infest your house..." can't make out the rest.
I think we have a candidate for Most Demanding Student. |
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tedkarma
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Yikes!
Tell me where that is so I never teach there!
Though - we can probably guess that this situation had been festering for a lonnnngggg time. Good case for classroom management skills! |
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dajiang
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Holy cr ap.
This was in Holland (I know cuz I'm Dutch), and this is really shocking.
I know stuff like this happens in some areas, but to actually see it is something else.
Thing is that students like these can actually carry knives or a gun, so you really don't want to mess with them. A teacher got murdered in class a few years back I believe. This teacher doesn't want to be second.
People are just scared out of their wits, you can see that. Noone in the class tries to help cuz they know they can be next.
Oh, and about the words:
the student says "get up, get up, get the f up." And then when he's up, he says "start walking. c'mon start walking." The teacher tells him to act normal, to which the student replies, "I've been normal long enough, now we do it my way." I wonder how this episode finished.
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ls650
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Dajiang, your avatar is extremely disturbing.  |
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angrysoba
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Dajiang, I like your avatar. I want one like it. But I have a question...
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| Thing is that students like these can actually carry knives or a gun, so you really don't want to mess with them. |
Students like these? What exactly do you mean?
Is this a common thing in the Netherlands? |
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lollercauster
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| dajiang wrote: |
Oh, and about the words:
the student says "get up, get up, get the f up." And then when he's up, he says "start walking. c'mon start walking."Dajiang |
I could've told you that much.
I don't know why the class was so silent. I certainly wouldn't have just sat there with my mouth open. |
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dajiang
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Hey all.
Angrysoba:
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Students like these? What exactly do you mean?
Is this a common thing in the Netherlands? |
Well, I meant students that are extremely aggressive.
It is getting more and more common, sadly. Especially in major cities with large immigrant populations. I suppose it's a bit like what you see in some American movies about gangs and inner city high schools and stuff.
It is not common for schools to have a metal detector, but this will only be a matter of time.
lollercoaster:
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| I don't know why the class was so silent. I certainly wouldn't have just sat there with my mouth open. |
Exactly. However, more and more incidents are taking place each year when people that interfere in fights get stabbed to death. This has happened several times and it makes the headlines throughout Holland. People think twice before they actually do something to help a stranger. The fact that this class didn't react tells us something about how they view their classmate. Obviously they know he's real trouble and won't even make a stand together.
ls650:
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| Dajiang, your avatar is extremely disturbing. |
You're lucky I don't post that much. 
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Will.
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WOW,
The student has obviously taken time to reflect prior to this situation. The book in the bag and the procedure of leaving is being followed but the teacher did not seem to be taking any means of defusing this situation, nor dealing with potential physical confrontation. Or is it just me lacking L1 input?
What kind of school was it? |
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mondrian
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| tedkarma wrote: |
Yikes!
Tell me where that is so I never teach there!
Though - we can probably guess that this situation had been festering for a lonnnngggg time. Good case for classroom management skills! |
Soooooooooooo........................ fellow teachers although, as is said here, we don't know the whole scenario:
What would you have done?
As the teacher? as a fellow student?
(P.S. In Holland can a teacher strike a student? cos if so, I'm bringing my baseball bat!) |
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SueH
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| (P.S. In Holland can a teacher strike a student? cos if so, I'm bringing my baseball bat!) |
If push comes to shove I believe a kick in the goolies is effective, and sod the consequences - although I must say I've never had students like that; one of the reasons teaching ESOL in the UK was enjoyable.
I would have thought the teacher would have been a little more proactive - like shutting the door, or saying 'don't come back'! |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Does anyone else think this video was staged? |
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dajiang
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I'm pretty sure it's genuine.
I can totally see this happen here.
Nowadays students can record this stuff on their cellphones as you know, and I'm sure we'll get to see more of these kind of short clips.
They'd be good actors though, if it was staged.
Oh, and no teachers can't strike students officially, however, I know of 2 cases where it did happen in my old high school. These two cases happened when the students hit the teachers first though (once it wasn't a teacher btw, but the head of department).
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What would you have done? |
Thing is I wouldn't have let it come this far obviously. The teacher underestimated the volatile nature of this student, but by being afraid he let the student get the upper hand.
I've been in tougher situations than this though. If a student gives me an attitude, I just have to remember being intimidated by a couple of Russian soldiers in Siberia. I'm not scared of a couple of high school punks. The guy like the one in the video was up to no good. The thing is to get him out of the classroom asap, on your incentive and not his. Get him out in the open, let him walk away, notify the police (he is probably no stranger there) and get him expelled (he could enroll in an enforced discipline course arranged by the Dutch government).
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