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tedkarma

Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 1598 Location: The World is my Oyster
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I think most of Asia is coming around to the idea that not all "native speakers" are blond and blue.
I worked for three years - 2003 to 2005 - in Korea with quite a few Black-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Chinese-Canadians and so on.
It might take just a little longer to find good work - but it is out there. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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EFL Teachers please give her accurate advice. ACCENT!!! The reason why it is harder for African Americans to be EFL teachers overseas is all about ACCENT. |
Ha, that is a joke. The real reason that it is hard for African-Americans to get jobs in Asia is that many Asias are racist (even against their own kind)and they seem to believe that only white people speak English. Of course my boss would rather hire an African-American, African-Canadian than an Asia.
serenitywiz, I wish you luck and am sure that you will find a job. You just might have to try harder than the average white person. Of course I doubt that it is anything new to you! |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Can people in Asia even detect accent differences? |
My college students can't. I don't know if anyone is familiar with American Headway? In this series there is a tape that goes along with the book like most books. On the tape the accents of many people are used. I have asked my students on several occasions, where the speaker is from and they never seem to know. I hink that only people who have studied abroad could detect accent differences. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ted wrote,
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I think most of Asia is coming around to the idea that not all "native speakers" are blond and blue.
I worked for three years - 2003 to 2005 - in Korea with quite a few Black-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Chinese-Canadians and so on. |
Ted, do you really think that is why you saw Blacks, Hispanics, and Chinese teaching English in Korea? I think that part of the reason is that the demand for English teachers is greater than the supply. As a result, Korean employers have little choice but to employ non-whites. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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The accent here is a red herring. Are black people less likely than white people to have "non standard" accents? Yeah, right.
The fact is, the world can be a racist place. Sad, but true, and not exactly breaking news.
I have worked with teachers from all over the world, and haven't noticed that black teachers have any more accent related issues than say, Scots, Irish, Cockneys, people from the southern US, people from Boston, people from the Bronx, I could go on and on...often less than some of these groups. Because, "black" is NOT AN ACCENT, and there is no particular accent that black people have. (Though I have known some who had accents related to some of the other groups mentioned.)
At least here in Ecuador, teachers of African heritage will have a somewhat harder time than white teachers. It can be done- but for Ecuadorians, "English" is still somewhat and ethnic concept. I currently work with a teacher, from Somerset, in England, who is occasionally asked where her family is really from. Because she has brown eyes. Looks as anglo as all heck, to my eye, but here they're told that English is spoken by blue eyed blond people. Obviously, the questions would be more frequent if her skin, as well as her eyes, were brown. Sad but true.
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tedkarma

Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 1598 Location: The World is my Oyster
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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JZer wrote: |
Ted wrote,
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I think most of Asia is coming around to the idea that not all "native speakers" are blond and blue.
I worked for three years - 2003 to 2005 - in Korea with quite a few Black-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Chinese-Canadians and so on. |
Ted, do you really think that is why you saw Blacks, Hispanics, and Chinese teaching English in Korea? I think that part of the reason is that the demand for English teachers is greater than the supply. As a result, Korean employers have little choice but to employ non-whites. |
Probably both ideas are correct.
I don't think it is a cognitive decision they have made as much as they are beginning to NOT notice if one has other than blond hair and blue eyes - and are not able to notice if a Hispanic's skin tone is slightly different from someone elses - or that of a Chinese-Canadian or ? (I don't know if I have said this correctly/inoffensively/etc. - but you know what I mean)
Though I do know and believe Asians are often racist - their ability to discriminate (to tell the difference - not in the racist connotation) is not great - and perhaps even decreasing.
Black Westerners - perhaps a different story - but I think Asians have seen them enough in movies and on TV - that it is not quite the thrill or "fear event" it used to be - particularly now that Blacks are often show in positive roles in movies/on tv/in sports (how they end up seeing them if not in person).
I do actually think it is ever so slowly getting better - yes. |
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