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[yiskbs]

Good news for us? Will this result in easier process for friends and relatives to visit us working in KSA?

Saudi tourist visa system soon
Posted: Monday, April 24, 2006




Jeddah


The Supreme Commission for Tourism (SCT) Of Saudi Arabia is in the process of implementing a tourist visa system through a limited number of tourist companies, according to a report.

The report in eTN said the SCT has authorised seven tourism companies to bring in foreign tourists, who will be allowed to visit all places in the kingdom except Makkah and Madinah.

"The SCT has prepared a number of programs to be marketed soon locally and internationally," Prince Sultan bin Salman, secretary-general of the SCT, was quoted as saying.

[veiledsentiments]

Don't they seem to trot out this report about once every year or so?

VS

[Cleopatra]

I'll beleive this when I see it - probably never.

Anyone remember the announcement about the taxi business being Saudiised by ... 2003 (or was that 2002?) Or that foreign shop assitants would be replaced by locals - what was it, 3 years ago?

[Stephen Jones]

This will be for package holidays. To get the relatives in on a visit you will still need to arrange visit visas.

[mouse5]

Yes, they might try it but it'll probably only apply to Gulf Nationals as they call themselves. If they ever let westerners come and bask in the sun here they'll probably have to put up the with things like the Bali-bikini ban, family only beaches etc.

[veiledsentiments]

One place I read that this was for trips starting this summer. All I could think was who in their right mind would come to Saudi in the summer??

[Stephen Jones]

GCC nationals don't need a visa to visit Saudi. They even have the right to come and work in any other Gulf country, though the only ones that seem to take advantage of it are the Bahrainis.

[Cleopatra]

Actually, I think they already do grant visas for 'package holidays' or rather expensive, highly 'organised' group tours. I read a review of one such tour in the Guardian a few years back, so nothing new there.

I agree that it's highly unlikely that independent travellers (certainly not women!) will qualify for these 'new' visas, and I also don't think that the 'new regulations' will make it any easier for us expats to arrange visit visas for our relatives.

[Bebsi]

[yiskbs]

They seem serious this time round...


Saudi Arabia on charm offensive for non-Muslim tourists
DUBAI : For the first time, Saudi Arabia is looking to encourage non-Muslim tourists, touting a unique experience and even nightlife in a country where alcohol and the mixing of the sexes are banned.

"We promise you an experience that will hit your soul, mind and spirit ... (with) lots of nightlife," Prince Sultan bin Salman, who heads the kingdom's Supreme Commission for Tourism, told reporters in Dubai at the opening of a tourism promotion expo.

"We have nothing to hide, we will open up so the world can see," he said, emphasising that the term 'nightlife' for Saudis tends to mean wholesome family activities -- rather than what may be enjoyed after dark in the West.

Saudis are known for their love of night-time picnics during which they smoke water-pipes and consume large quantities of bitter coffee and tea.

And another twist that is also likely to keep Saudi Arabia from becoming the next hot destination, is the fact tourists will only be allowed to come in via licensed tour operators.

Prince Sultan promised visas in 24 hours and even upon arrival for some nationals, which would be a far cry from the current cumbersome process that takes weeks if not months in some cases.

The kingdom, the birthplace of Islam and home to two of its holiest sites, has long been viewed by most Westerners simply as a forbidding and xenophobic place where a strict interpretation of sharia (Islamic law) reigns and men take on several wives, all draped in black from head to toe.

Add to that the unwanted notoriety of being associated with the Al-Qaeda terror network. It was the home of Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden before he became a fugitive and was stripped of his citizenship, also 15 of the 19 persons involved in the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States were Saudis.

But the kingdom, which joined the World Trade Organization in December and has a significant youthful population eager to embrace globalisation, wants to alter these perceptions by opening up to tourists, especially non-Muslims, while at the same time retaining its Islamic values and traditions.

Prince Sultan said the kingdom wants to attract 1.5 million tourists a year by 2020, excluding the millions of Muslims that flock to the kingdom for hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, and a lesser pilgrimage known as umrah.

He spoke of the ambitious goal of making tourism account for 18 percent of the gross domestic product by 2020, in a country that is the world's largest producer and exporter of oil.

Saudi Arabia previously announced plans to spend billions on beefing up its tourism infrastructure and to break up the monopoly held by the state-owned carrier Saudi Arabian Airlines on domestic travel.

But it is not backpackers that the kingdom is after. Prince Sultan wants to attract well-heeled and discerning tourists eager to soak up a taste of the real Arabia.

"I think 70 percent of tourists today are after a cultural and traditional experience," he said.

Although the holy cities of Mecca and Medina are off limits to non-Muslims, the prince spoke of the charms of the many picturesque oases, valleys, mountains and even bountiful countryside.

He touted the pleasures of snorkeling and diving off the country's western Red Sea coast, whose beautiful coral reefs are said to rival those in the popular Egyptian resorts of Sharm el-Sheikh and Hurghada.

The port city of Jeddah with its many traditional markets is considered liberal by Saudi standards.

There is also tremendous potential for off-road adventures in the vast Rub al-Khali desert, or Empty Quarter, to the southeast and the mountainous regions of Asir and Hijaz to the west.

And in a well-timed announcement, authorities revealed this month that they had unearthed a town near Al-Ula in northwestern Saudi Arabia that could date to the 9th century and was an important stopping point for caravans heading to Mecca.

The area is already home to the ancient city of Madain Saleh, regarded as the second most important for the Nabatean kingdom after Jordan's Petra.

But despite the novelty of a Saudi vacation, the country faces several daunting challenges in attracting tourists.

First there is the question of security. The kingdom continues to battle suspected Qaeda-linked militants, that have since 2003 targeted foreigners in a bloody and vicious campaign of bombings and shootings.

Then there is the potential backlash to the government's tourism plans from the hardline clerical establishment, which remains very influential even with the reforms initiated by the popular King Abdullah.

Cherishing historic buildings and sites is regarded as a form of idolatry by some clerics. An Ottoman-era fort near Mecca was demolished in 2002 to make way for a housing project despite strong protests by Turkey.

And in a place where night clubs and bars are banned, Lonely Planet's guide to Saudi Arabia recommends packing lots of good books. - AFP /dt

[Cleopatra]

[veiledsentiments]

They may be serious, but it is very similar to articles that have come out repeatedly over the last few years. And, as Cleo pointed out... they are already allowing some group travel in for those who can pay for it.

So... I should have kept track of how many times I laughed out loud. I wonder if anyone has actually researched what these 'well-heeled' tourists that they are targeting expect. This group tends to demand wine with dinner and c o c ktails before and after... (not to mention bikinis or topless on the beaches...)

I think that they may have missed the reality that the travelers who are truly interested in 'soaking up a taste of the real Arabia' are the backpacker crowd not rich package tourists.

VS

[Bebsi]

[veiledsentiments]

As you said, the market is small and I doubt that they would get many repeat visitors.

As to topless beaches, I was quite shocked to see that the age group was way older than I had expect when I was in Greece and Turkey. Perhaps it was the wine with dinner...

So, we shall await word from Bebsi Travel and Tourism (KSA branch) as to when that first group arrives in say... July... sweatin' with the oldies. Personally I'd much rather go to Libya.

VS
(still wondering what lights and beep are...)

[Bebsi]

Well, I'm still quite a bit below that age group, and if I even suggested going to a topless beach, Mrs. B would be banishing me back to the deserts!!!!

Maybe it is indeed the wine with dinner, but if they have no wine in KSA (I could, however, actually see the 5* hotels being allowed eventually to sell it, in say 5 years?) then they won't be in the mood for topless beaches either.

Seriously, I doubt if they are looking at repeat visitors anyway. That particular market segment is not repeat oriented, as it mostly comprises people who go somewhere on a once-off trip. So it is actually very viable.

Have you been to Libya, VS? Lovely country and very friendly, nice people. However, a very oppressive atmosphere once you scratch below the surface, and in 2004, they severely lagged behind most other places in terms of services and facilities. For instance, there were NO ATMs, and credit cards were only accepted by a couple of 5* hotels in Benghazi and Tripoli. Mobile phone cover was limited, tho slowly expanding. The roads were dire, with no nice highways like in KSA. Drivers were verrrry similar to KSA!!!! They have no concept of customer service whatsoever in Libya, and many consumer goods/services are still difficult to obtain.

Against all that, it is a much easier country to get into, and they tend to allow westerners to do their own thing with minimal interference. Then again, the Saudis are not too bad in this regard either, as long as one keeps a low profile. Sitting in a restaurant carrying out a loud conversation about s***ging and getting stoned in Thailand, in full earshot of a group of staring Muttawah guys at the next table (as a former colleague of mine once did), is not what I would call "low-profile" or discreet.

Not everyone needs sex and booze on hols. ...unless they already live in KSA

Bebsi Travel & Tourism (KSA)? Now there's an idea, I might submit my proposals to Prince Sultan. I could in fact, put together a 2-week cultural itinerary for a trip to KSA for, let's say, a group of fifty- or sixty-something well-heeled Germans, Dutch, Swedes etc.

Actually, for thrillseekers, we could have driving holidays in Saudi. That gets the adrenaline going, certainly! For those fascinated with ostentatious consumerism, we could offer the "oil-boom" tour of shopping malls and Cadillac dealers, where you could see how wealthy oil-sheikh types spend their money. And for those seeking something really way out, what about "Wild Westpat specials", a weekend on a western compound, drinking authentic home-brew etc. Wonder what I could charge them all?

Hmmmm....interesting...excuse me, gotta go here...new project to work on....