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Po
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: nyooobeee |
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Hi Forum,
I'll be starting a job in Muscat in August. Been browsing through a few threads. Not overly phased about evident lack of nightlife and 'pick-up' chances, but would be keen on getting together with some musician types (either expats or locals) for occasional jams. Have also heard there is a bit of surf further south so if you can confirm this and would like to hook up for surf exploration then feel free to contact me.
In case you have any valuable advice or tips on any relocation matters then please feel free to offer anything. I am particularly interested in soaking up local culture (music, food, entertainment) and mixing with the locals (local norms notwithstanding). Am I deluding myself that this will happen at any depth?
Ciao,
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Oman has more music in its culture than the other Gulf countries. I think this is the effect of their historical colonization of the African coastline down to Zanzibar. They also have a national symphony orchestra with training at a music conservatory. Many years ago I gave lessons to the man who was the director of the section of the Ministry of Information which was dedicated to the preservation of the traditional music and dance of the country.
So... that doesn't sound like what first comes to mind in when one asks about possibilities for jams. But there is an acceptance of music in the culture... and Arabic pop music was popular amongst the students... added to bands in the few clubs. It seems that eventually you should be able to find a few like minds... and the search for them may be half the fun.
Can't tell you about waves... but they are pretty rare according to what people have posted here.
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 350 Location: UAE
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Only marginally relevant but VS just prompted a happy memory. When I was in Brunei in the early 90s, there was a thriving African community who used to hold great gatherings - "parties" would be too ordinary a term - where the Master of the Music was an Omani who'd spent his formative years in Zaire.
The African connection in Oman is still strong and music is an important part of it - of all the Gulf countries, Oman is the one where you are most likely to find local musicians to jam with. |
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Po
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Re: nyooobeee |
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Po wrote: |
Hi Forum,
I'll be starting a job in Muscat in August. Been browsing through a few threads. Not overly phased about evident lack of nightlife and 'pick-up' chances, but would be keen on getting together with some musician types (either expats or locals) for occasional jams. Have also heard there is a bit of surf further south so if you can confirm this and would like to hook up for surf exploration then feel free to contact me.
In case you have any valuable advice or tips on any relocation matters then please feel free to offer anything. I am particularly interested in soaking up local culture (music, food, entertainment) and mixing with the locals (local norms notwithstanding). Am I deluding myself that this will happen at any depth?
Ciao,
Po |
Thanks for the feedback. Are there any back alley, low-key music venues where one could stumble upon these type of African-influenced musicians or is it more likely to be a sanitised touristy thing. A couple of other questions. What is the best option as far as learning Arabic goes? What are the cultural expectations re-being at the beach. Can I go topless (I'm a male in case you start hyperventilating). Don't want to offend anyone, but like to get a bit of sun as it seems to be going to waste over there (unless you're a date palm). |
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 420 Location: KSA
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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As VS has stated waves can be rather scarce but the further south you go the stronger and bigger they get. Salalah can be pretty rough at times.
You can feel free to be topless on any beach in Oman, as you'll be in the company of many topless Omani men and boys playing football on the beach. Some will adhere to the Islamic requirement to be covered from the belly button to the knees while others won't. You'll be fine! Some great "tucked-away" beaches at Jissa, Yitti and Seefa, all of them beyond Muscat with awesome winding roads that take you there. (No 4x4 required!)
The kind of music you're looking for you'll probably only find at the odd festival. Bars and clubs tend to be not so touristy in fact, but actually too "expatish" in my opinion. Doesn't feel "real" if you know what I mean. Most bands and live acts at these places tend to do rock or popular songs from the 70s right through to the present. Some of them really bad...  |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: nyooobeee |
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Po wrote: |
Thanks for the feedback. Are there any back alley, low-key music venues where one could stumble upon these type of African-influenced musicians or is it more likely to be a sanitised touristy thing. A couple of other questions. What is the best option as far as learning Arabic goes? What are the cultural expectations re-being at the beach. Can I go topless (I'm a male in case you start hyperventilating). Don't want to offend anyone, but like to get a bit of sun as it seems to be going to waste over there (unless you're a date palm). |
Who knows what happens in the back alleys, but it may take time to discover such if it exists. You may have to wait till the first 'festival' to make contacts. This is a culture that is very private, and very religious.
As to beachwear, I would have clothes for cover with me and then add or remove according to what the others are wearing. I would avoid being the first to strip down to a speedo...
It is not the best place to learn Arabic. I'm sure that there are places offering lessons in Modern Standard Arabic or Classical Arabic, but the local dialect is not widely understood outside of Oman... the farther you go out in the country, the more difficult it gets. (I have been out exploring with native speakers of Arabic in the group and they had as much difficulty communicating as we English speakers did.) The Gulf in general is not the best choice for learning Arabic as so much of commerce tends to be in English. I arrived in Oman with survival Arabic skills and literally never used it beyond basic polite greetings in the 6 years I lived there. That said, a male may have a better chance if he likes sports... and maybe music... and spends more time with locals who are not his students.
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Ka`b ibn al-Ashraf
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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If there were any "back alley, low-key music venues where one could stumble upon," I would have by now. Thus, I'd say not. I will be person-to-person for you. |
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Po
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Re: nyooobeee |
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Po wrote: |
Hi Forum,
I'll be starting a job in Muscat in August. Been browsing through a few threads. Not overly phased about evident lack of nightlife and 'pick-up' chances, but would be keen on getting together with some musician types (either expats or locals) for occasional jams. Have also heard there is a bit of surf further south so if you can confirm this and would like to hook up for surf exploration then feel free to contact me.
In case you have any valuable advice or tips on any relocation matters then please feel free to offer anything. I am particularly interested in soaking up local culture (music, food, entertainment) and mixing with the locals (local norms notwithstanding). Am I deluding myself that this will happen at any depth?
Ciao,
Po |
Bit of a shame about not being able to use Arabic beyond pleasantries. I was hoping to learn enough to make some simple conversation. Does this mean that the Omani folk in the remote areas don't understand Standard Arabic or they just don't use it? |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: nyooobeee |
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Po wrote: |
Bit of a shame about not being able to use Arabic beyond pleasantries. I was hoping to learn enough to make some simple conversation. Does this mean that the Omani folk in the remote areas don't understand Standard Arabic or they just don't use it? |
Education is very new in Oman in relative terms. Before 1970, there were no schools other than a couple very small Quranic schools that mostly taught memorization of the Quran only. Thus, anyone you encounter who grew up in Oman over the age of 45-50 will likely be uneducated and illiterate - with the consequent effect that the local dialect is highly eccentric, though this is true of most rural dialects of Arabic. The younger the people you encounter, the more likely that they will be conversant in Modern Standard Arabic.
An added detail is that the Omanis who are most likely musically oriented are those with Zanzibari ties. When I was teaching at SQU in its early years (late 1980's), I had Omanis whose first language was Swahili with English a close second, and their Arabic was almost non-existent. Many of these families still speak Swahili at home, though their kids are now truly tri-lingual.
If one is serious about becoming conversant in Arabic, the place to go and live for a few years is North Africa or the Levant. In the Gulf, one must work harder at it. Personally I would head to Syria or Egypt if that was a personal goal.
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Aliskander
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 50
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: Illiterate? |
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I am deeply offended om behalf of most of the people in Oman by the comments made by VS regarding the illeriteracy of some of the people in Oman. Many of the older generation are among the most educated and intelligent people i have come across with more determination and desire to progress than the generation of today. Many of the older generation also went out of Oman seeking education and received a European / western education. To say they are illiterate is extremely rude. |
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spicegirl
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 112
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Of course there are many older, very well educated people in Oman .... many of whom hold high positions in the government, education and commerce.
VS was referring to the many, many older people in Oman in the interior and in small villages who did not have the advantage of education in the past. She's absolutely right about this, in my extensive experience of living and working in Oman.
She was in no way casting any slight on the Omanis, and as you will have seen from her many previous posts, she is one of Oman's greatest supporters and apologists. She loves the country and the people, as I do, and to suggest that she was trying to insult anyone is just plain silly, and looking for grievances where none exist, sorry to say.
Saying that someone is illiterate is a fact, not a value judgement. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Spicegirl for the kind words. It looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
As you said, being illiterate is not a value judgement, it is the result of growing up in a poor country with no educational system. Knowing the history of the country and the culture only makes you respect them more for how far they have come in only 35 years.
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Aliskander
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Actually i did not get out of bed on the wrong side - and never do. However i also stand by my comments, having lived and worked in Oman for 10 years and having dealt with Omanis from the interior, the mountains and the city. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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I guess not all of us have negative connotations of illiteracy or consider it a mark of inferiority as you seem to do...
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