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English Unlimited in San Luis Potosi: another perspective
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corporatehuman



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Subconscious message to your brain!!! Reply with quote

Cdaniels wrote:
corporatehuman wrote:
I myself am coming to Mexico with almost no Spanish and subconsciously, it has been giving me anxiety. Consciously, I just imagine I'll have to take it day by day.

Does it no longer give you anxiety now that your lack of Spanish is conscious? I suspect you're misusing the term. If it's subconscious, you are not aware of it. While its possible to have anxiety without being conscious of the source, if you suddenly become conscious of it, and it still seems like a legitimate worry, (and lack of native language skills sounds like a reasonable concern to me) Then why label it as subconscious? I think it's more of a problem if you stopped having anxiety! Day by day?!? Has your lack of Spanish traumatized you to such an extent?
Maybe you could look up "subconsciente," and find out what the term means in Spanish. Rolling Eyes


I'll try and clarify my statement for you. As you suggested a dictionary, I decided to check one too. So here is the Merriam-Webster definition of subconscious.

sub�con�scious
Pronunciation: "s&b-'k�n(t)-sh&s, 's&b-
Function: adjective
: existing in the mind but not immediately available to consciousness <a subconscious motive>
- sub�con�scious�ly adverb
- sub�con�scious�ness noun

Does that make more sense? When I say "I myself am coming to Mexico with almost no Spanish and subconsciously, it has been giving me anxiety," I mean that my anxiety is internalized, in a way that I am actually...NOT conscious of it.

Now yes, you will say, I am consciously writing about it, it appears that I have conscious knowledge of my anxiety but this is, again, not what I mean. Simply because the subconscious is not 'available' to consciousness, does not mean we cannot discuss it, or hypothesize its origins.

I am thinking mostly of my dreams, the pre-emigrant dreams, where all my dreams are of the future (Mexico) and the anxieties of the future (in Mexico, with no Spanish.) These dreams, of course, do not come rationally. They are often absurd, confusing, sometimes bewildering, exciting, so on; the net result being they give me anxiety. An anxiety, that

"is not immediately available to my consciousness." An anxiety that is layered within 24 other years of anxiety, things that everyone suffers from, and has to deal with in a variety of ways. The subconscious is ultimately the intersection of the conscious and unconscious, right where the two meet. As we are aware of ourselves, we are also, simultaneously, ignorant.

In my conscious life, those waking hours of thought, spent in preparation for departure, I have little or no sense of this anxiety. I feel it, but not like I do in my dreams, no, instead I feel much more self-assured, confident, that if I handle Mexico on a "day by day" basis everything will be fine (language will be learned, community will be found, etc.). Of course, I still have anxiety, it is just focused other things...money, time constraints, my job, leaving, goodbyes, etc. things all pre-emigrant, things tied to my life in the United States.



- Chris
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: perspective Reply with quote

Corporatehuman, I think you're getting way too "into it" for it to be healthy. Take a look at fulamuso's points listed below. In my opinion, those are the types of goals a person should focus on, and they shouldn't produce a huge amount of anxiety.
fulamuso wrote:
1. Stay legal.
2. Earn enough not to have to use my savings.
3. Learn Spanish.
4. Live like a local.

If you can't learn to be a little more laid-back, relaxed, and go-with-the-flow, I'm afraid the Mexican experience will drive you right up the wall. You'll find lots of things in this country that are simply beyond your control. You'll need to recognize those things and deal with them. Relax and enjoy the experience, maintain a sense of humor, and accept the idea that things work out the way they're meant to be.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again BRDB proves himself to be a wise man! Well said Tim.

To the rest of you HELLO, we were talking about whether or not English Unlimited is an ok place to work.
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corporatehuman



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too into it?? I just thought it was fun to write about what I was experiencing, especially upon questioning.

I think you misunderstand my post... ...too into it to be "healthy?" I find that really very strange! I don't see anything wrong with thinking about Mexico before I go, in fact, it feels very healthy to do so! And if I have some anxiety, so what?? What's wrong with acknowledging it, or talking about it?

It feels perfectly human!

I am looking forward to the experience and am very open to what happens, wherever, however.

- Chris


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corporatehuman



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The funny thing is I KNEW posting that note to Cdaniels would result in this, anyway, I still posted it! I'll use PMs next time, it definitely is off-topic.

So I agree, leave the rest of the talk to EU.



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grahamcito



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: More marketing Reply with quote

Fulamuso,

1. Again, are you saying that you�ve had no problems or difficulties in your dealings with Michael Tan? This was the issue of the first post on English Unlimited SLP way-back-when, and is slightly more important than whether there�s anything to do in SLP on a Tuesday night.

2. In your professedly neutral first post, why didn�t you mention that since February you�ve been Academic Coordinator (ie a management position) at English Unlimited SLP? Slip your memory? or didn�t you think it was relevant?

(Apologies if this sounds weird, but I was intrigued by the name fulamuso and when I googled it, it brought up your blog, complete with references to "my teachers".)

3. Why is English Unlimited "desperate" (your word) for teachers?
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: OBVIO Reply with quote

grahamcito wrote:
Why is English Unlimited "desperate" (your word) for teachers?


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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: More marketing Reply with quote

grahamcito wrote:
2. In your professedly neutral first post, why didn�t you mention that since February you�ve been Academic Coordinator (ie a management position) at English Unlimited SLP? Slip your memory? or didn�t you think it was relevant?

I understand your point, grahamcito, but Fulamuso did mention in her first post that she's received two promotions since she began working at the school. There are a number of regular posters on this forum whose jobs include administrative positions. For some reason, most of them tend to downplay that fact somewhat when posting here.
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fulamuso



Joined: 02 May 2006
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Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: More marketing Reply with quote

grahamcito wrote:
Fulamuso,

1. Again, are you saying that you�ve had no problems or difficulties in your dealings with Michael Tan? This was the issue of the first post on English Unlimited SLP way-back-when, and is slightly more important than whether there�s anything to do in SLP on a Tuesday night.

2. In your professedly neutral first post, why didn�t you mention that since February you�ve been Academic Coordinator (ie a management position) at English Unlimited SLP? Slip your memory? or didn�t you think it was relevant?

(Apologies if this sounds weird, but I was intrigued by the name fulamuso and when I googled it, it brought up your blog, complete with references to "my teachers".)

3. Why is English Unlimited "desperate" (your word) for teachers?



1. The question of whether or not I’ve had problems with my current employer is a fairly sticky one, as you must realize. I’m sure Michael has no doubt who wrote my original post and he’s probably checking the replies as well. I don’t always agree with him, but it hasn’t been horrible enough to make me run screaming. He’s a businessman and makes decisions based on those interests. At the same time, he’s straightforward and let’s you know exactly what to expect (hours, pay, contract stipulations). He can come off as being inaccessible, but once you take the initiative to talk with him, he’s actually quite down-to-earth.

My aim was not to respond to El Gringo’s post, or I would have done so point by point. What I wanted to do was to temper it (as well as Canadiense’s post) with my own experience.

2. Please refer to Ben Round de Bloc’s reply. Or, just check out my Dave’s ESL Cafe profile where my occupation is stated as “Academic Coordinator/Teacher.” Yes, I care about the school. And I care about “my teachers” (even the ones who drive me nuts, as I’m sure you’ve read about). Like I said in my first post, there are plenty of things I don’t like about it. But there are enough redeeming factors to have kept me here for almost a year and a half. I started out as a teacher and have been able to move up into coordination over the course of my time here. It’s been a place for me to grow professionally and I’m grateful for that.

Judge for yourself. Either I’ve been brainwashed away into the evil abyss originating from Michael’s office, or maybe he’s not all that bad. I’m currently making a whomping 53 pesos an hour, so you can decide for yourself if that’s reason enough to try to cover the demon who lurks within.

3. Now, if you want to take some exaggeration after a hard day as a literal state of affairs, so be it. If you’ve worked in TEFL, you know what it’s like. There are some really amazing people and there are some complete nutcases. We have a very professional staff overall. When you’re griping at the end of the day, though, the bad stuff is easier to whine about, especially in a non-professional forum.

Realistically, I think most schools are in the same boat. Quality teachers can be hard to come by. On the days when it gets difficult and you’re the one stuck with the fallout, you start to feel a little desperate.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

You mentioned that Mr. Tan prefers that employees work full-time, 34+ hours per week.

Is that 34 hours classtime, or does that include office time too? That strikes me as quite a grind for a measly 6000 pesos per month.

That might be okay as a first job for six months or a year... but I'd sure as heck recommend people move on to better opportunities.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
You mentioned that Mr. Tan prefers that employees work full-time, 34+ hours per week.

Is that 34 hours classtime, or does that include office time too? That strikes me as quite a grind for a measly 6000 pesos per month.

That might be okay as a first job for six months or a year... but I'd sure as heck recommend people move on to better opportunities.

Ouch! I make a little more than 6,000 pesos per month but not a lot more. I'm part-time and teach only 25 hours per week + 5 hours per week for other responsibilities (paid for 30 hours per week.) I have taught as many as 35+ hours per week at this job, however. On my type of contract, I'd have to teach 40 hours per week to be considered full-time. I've been at the same job for over 10 years.
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fulamuso



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Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
You mentioned that Mr. Tan prefers that employees work full-time, 34+ hours per week.

Is that 34 hours classtime, or does that include office time too? That strikes me as quite a grind for a measly 6000 pesos per month.

That might be okay as a first job for six months or a year... but I'd sure as heck recommend people move on to better opportunities.


Those hours only include the time in class. Time spent planning lessons, attending monthly meetings, and writing individual student evaluations each term (i.e. every seven weeks) aren't included in the paycheck. It can be a heavy workload, that's for sure. On the other hand, a full schedule often involves only one prep. As with any school, it's important to consider whether you're ready to take on their standard workload for the pay offered.
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grahamcito



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fulamuso,

Thanks for answering my questions, your post gives more useful info about EU SLP than any other post I�ve read.

It also completes your assessment of the school; after what�s been said before, your first post just didn�t give the whole picture without addressing Mr Tan. There was never any need to go through all of El Gringo�s points, like you showed.

About having your position, it�d be a bit more responsible and, well, honest if people posting about their school - especially when deliberately trying to shape readers opinions of that school - acknowledged a management position. Not doing that leaves you wide open to accusations of posting marketing spiel.

fulamuso wrote:
if you want to take some exaggeration after a hard day as a literal state of affairs, so be it.


People only know what you tell them.

Good to hear you�re enjoying your time at EU SLP (though the split shift, low wages and long hours don�t make it sound like fun).
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fulamuso

What are your qualifications? Sorry if you've already mentioned them, I'm to lazy to go back and reread today!

If you have a BA and a CELTA or Trinity cert, I could give you some leads for some MUCH better jobs in other parts of Mexico. By now you have experience that would help you earn around 10,000 a month, and only teach 10 to 15 hours a week.

English Unlimited sounds like a good first job. If you stay in a first job too long your end up like some of the bitter posters over in the general discussion forum. Surprised
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canadiense



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Teaching Abroad Reply with quote

You got it, Ben Round de bloc.

"If you can't learn to be a little more laid-back, relaxed, and go-with-the-flow, I'm afraid the Mexican experience will drive you right up the wall. You'll find lots of things in this country that are simply beyond your control. You'll need to recognize those things and deal with them. Relax and enjoy the experience, maintain a sense of humor, and accept the idea that things work out the way they're meant to be."

Mexico is great , but not if you're constantly comparing salaries to the U.S. The rent is cheaper in Mexico and you can buy fresh food at far better prices than in Canada or the U.S.

Fulamuso had a great tip, saying learn from the locals.

As for working at English Unlimited, the school has an excellent reputation in the area, and teachers come and go as it suits them. I've been happy to stay there and feel that I've grown as a person, not just from the job, but also even more form the people I've met that I now consider lifelong friends.

If a teacher doesn't feel that they've found a niche, and want to leave before their orginial agreement is over, the director simply asks for proper notice. If you're happy - stay. If not, speak to administration and negociate a graceful exit.

I also don't understand why someone would think that a person needs to shout their position if they have a position of added resposiblity. We are still teachers and do not suddenly become somehow suspicious because a director has asked us to take on more responsibility. I became academic coordinator because a director can't do everything in a busy school, and someone with experience needs to step up and provide support for the teachers.

If you want to teach in Mexico, it's doable but don't think you're going to make as much as a teacher in the orient or the U.S. The lifestyle makes Mexico an ideal choice for me.
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