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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest Glenski I am not sure it's as rare as people say. I know the jobs advertised always ask for an MA, but how many jobs, like mine, never get advertised? I have a friend who also has a full time position without the hallowed piece of paper. Got it this year. In a national university in Osaka.
Actually I think I will write a brief career history.

Got into Japan working for a language school. My friend got me into ECC business English department. Met a guy there that sold me his private students. One of my privates introduced me to her teacher friend who was looking for a pt native for one day a week. This turned into 3 days a week when they saw I did a good job. Then the affiliated university offered me a pt position. I think basically because they were too lazy to interview. I did a good job there and 4 years later, this year, was offered the coveted prize.

I think that this is a very typical path of the guy who with a bit of luck, professionalism at all times on the job and dare I say it, a reputation as a pretty good teacher can and does get on in this country.

Actually come to think of it, I have never had a formal interview in this country. Informal chats with the position already secured I would say. I bet many others could say the same?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally know of 6 people who have been hired to work f/t in a Japanese university while holding a BA. I was as well. In fact, my newly minted masters will not get me a single yen more in salary, nor would a PhD.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply, sid.

As for whether there are lots of BA holders recently (and I stress that work) hired into FT university slots, I don't have that info, but from what I've seen advertised in English web sites, and from the many discussions I've had with university types, the BA is quite rare. As for how many don't get advertised, I guess neither of us will be able to answer that, so I hope someone else more in the know can do so.
And, I hope people who can read the Japanese sites will also respond.


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I have never had a formal interview in this country. Informal chats with the position already secured I would say. I bet many others could say the same?

Again, kudos to you and to your success, but in my opinion, even though many others can say the same, I think the majority still get theirs through the traditional interview (and with contacts, they have a better chance). Now, I'm talking about FT jobs, here.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Thanks for the reply, sid.

As for whether there are lots of BA holders recently (and I stress that work) hired into FT university slots, I don't have that info, but from what I've seen advertised in English web sites, and from the many discussions I've had with university types, the BA is quite rare. As for how many don't get advertised, I guess neither of us will be able to answer that, so I hope someone else more in the know can do so.
And, I hope people who can read the Japanese sites will also respond.


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I have never had a formal interview in this country. Informal chats with the position already secured I would say. I bet many others could say the same?

Again, kudos to you and to your success, but in my opinion, even though many others can say the same, I think the majority still get theirs through the traditional interview (and with contacts, they have a better chance). Now, I'm talking about FT jobs, here.


I just did a search on the JRECIN site of the Japanese sites (just typed in "Eigo" and followed the links. All of them asked for a minimum of a Masters and a few asked for a phd (maybe 20%). None mentioned only needing a BA and its expected that Japanese academics will be suitably qualified anyway. Jobs advertised in English in TLT will attract anything up to 200 applicants.

Yes BAs do get jobs at university. I know one guy with a high school education but 20 years teaching in Japanese universities. I had a BA when I started, but working your way up through connections and landing at kansai airport and walking straight into a uni job with no experience and no japanese are two different things. You have to pay your dues in this country, get experience and NETWORK. I've had lucky breaks and got jobs by email without breaking a sweat but that comes through knowing people and a person just off the boat knows NO ONE.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experience, unis in Japan that hire people with BAs do not advertise. Probably afraid of 10,000 applications.
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Dex



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the responses, this is really helpful.
I think I will leave the university jobs until I am better connected and perhaps better qualified.

The contact I have now is a family friend who owes the family a big favour, but I'm not sure he has the clout to get a BA on staff. Especially one whose Japanese barely extends past basic pleasantries.

So, now I focus on the language schools. In your opinion, will language schools be willing to sponsor me?
I'm a pretty decent teacher, proffesionally turned out, and a likeable sort of chap. Of course, those are my mum's words, but I believe her Wink
What, realistically speaking, are my chances.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dex wrote:

I'm a pretty decent teacher, proffesionally turned out, and a likeable sort of chap. Of course, those are my mum's words, but I believe her Wink
What, realistically speaking, are my chances.


Dex, as long as you have a degree and can get a work visa your chances are as good as anybody's.

Some people with degrees and native speakers from US or UK get hired, some don't (ask Jazz about that one) getting hired is a lottery.

Its like a casino you have to throw your hat in the ring and no one will make you any promises, and it can go either way.

FWIW Im looking for a new job now as my contract ends next year (march) I lose all my current FT classes. im not going to get too excited about whether one particular employer likes my resume or not. its best not to put all your eggs in one basket. Applying for jobs is a numbers game, and you have to play the numbers.

I have posted on here before about what a typical eikaiwa candidate may look like, but ultimately its up to the schools themselves and they all look for different things in a teacher.
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