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casual
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[quote="markle"][quote="Eva Pilot"]Brazil don't have the defence to go all the way. It's exploitable.[/quote]
Who needs a defence when you score fifteen goals a match. Good defences make for boring football.[/quote]
True, but its pretty important to have a solid defence. Brazils 1982 team is often considered their second best ever team but they didnt win that world cup.Their whole team was awesome except the defence and goalkeeper which appeared to picked randomly from a crowd of spectators!! lol
Brazil have never been known for having a good defence so in my opinion they should stick to what they know. They have the attitude of if the other team scores one, we can score two. |
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ironopolis
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A friend of mine (high school JET) and also a football nut, told me that all of her students are cheering for The Netherlands.
Is it the same in your schools? If do, why do you think that is?
(My theory was, and I know absolutely NOTHING about Dutch league play, that perhaps the Dutch national team has many Ajax players, which seems to be a popular team here in Japan for some reason)...
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I agree with reasons casual suggested as to why Holland are popular with some people elsewhere (i.e. their playing of a style of football people consider attractive), but I suspect that isn't the reason why a bunch of Japanese high school students are cheering for them. Probably the reason is something more bizarre, like their nice orange shirts or maybe the kids went on a school trip to Huis Ten Bosch in Nagasaki recently.
Over the years I've often asked someone in Japan why they supported a particular team, in cases when it seemed an unusual choice. I have sometimes heard the kind of stuff you'd expect like "my dad's hometown", "first game I saw", "X used to play for them" etc. But I've heard so many replies that I could not get my head round too. The likes of the guy in Fukuoka who supported Yokohama Marinos because his dad drove a Nissan, who were shirt sponsors of that team. Or Cameroon in the last world cup because they "turned up late in a cute way" as one person told me  
I should add that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the above - as far as I'm concerned support whoever you like, for whatever reason you like.
But as with many other things we encounter when we travel, perhaps western football fans assuming how they themselves see things must be similar to how the Japanese or other cultures see them might not be assuming correctly. Maybe sometimes the opposite assumption is also a wrong one! |
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casual
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In response to Ironopolis. I also think that many Japanese seem to take an attraction to a particular player and decide to support the team which they are playing for at the time.
Being from a working class area of England its pretty weird to me. If you dont support a local team then you dont get much respect when it comes to football chat where I come from. |
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| casual wrote: |
In response to Ironopolis. I also think that many Japanese seem to take an attraction to a particular player and decide to support the team which they are playing for at the time.
Being from a working class area of England its pretty weird to me. If you dont support a local team then you dont get much respect when it comes to football chat where I come from. |
Agree completely about England - same applies to me. Although I personally don't have a problem with people supporting who they want, it irritates a lot of those I know where I'm from for the reason you mentioned. And for the same reason I struggle to fully comprehend baseball fans from Osaka who support Fukuoka Softbank Hawks, because they used to be the Nankai Hawks in Osaka. I guess for North Americans, more used to franchises being moved/sold etc, this is an easier concept to grasp.
The attraction to a particular player is maybe understandable in the case of players going overseas and moving around a bit. And obviously that happens more with Japanese players than it does with English ones.
Sometimes it's funny when people can't keep up with the player's movements (or to be fair - tv has been ignoring them because their poor form doesn't make for a good news our boy in gaikoku story). Lost count of the times I used to have people tell me they liked Fulham. "Er..you do know that Inamoto's at West Bromwich now?" "Eeeeeh??"  |
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Eva Pilot
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| casual wrote: |
| markle wrote: |
| Eva Pilot wrote: |
| Brazil don't have the defence to go all the way. It's exploitable. |
Who needs a defence when you score fifteen goals a match. Good defences make for boring football. |
True, but its pretty important to have a solid defence. Brazils 1982 team is often considered their second best ever team but they didnt win that world cup.Their whole team was awesome except the defence and goalkeeper which appeared to picked randomly from a crowd of spectators!! lol
Brazil have never been known for having a good defence so in my opinion they should stick to what they know. They have the attitude of if the other team scores one, we can score two. |
Any disciplined team can break down the Brazil mystique by just holding firm at the back and not letting their forwards from playing on the ball.
I actually own a Netherlands football shirt, my mother bought it for me at a second hand store. That's how I also got my Italy one. And I have an Australia one and 3 England ones. I intend to buy a Japan one some time when I am over there too. |
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JimDunlop2
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Never actually been to a pub in the U.K. -- Is it true that the wearing of team colours is generally prohibited?  |
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Eva Pilot
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| JimDunlop2 wrote: |
| Never actually been to a pub in the U.K. -- Is it true that the wearing of team colours is generally prohibited? |
A friend of mine used to live there, when he was in primary school in Manchester, a boy with a Leeds shirt on was beaten in the playground. |
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JimDunlop2
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I don't know much about much... But seems to me that if you live in Manchester and you walk around with a Leeds shirt on ANYWHERE, you either have mild brain damage or have balls of iron! (With fists to back it up). |
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casual
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[quote="JimDunlop2"]Well, I don't know much about much... But seems to me that if you live in Manchester and you walk around with a Leeds shirt on ANYWHERE, you either have mild brain damage or have balls of iron! (With fists to back it up).[/quote]
Every team has a rival where it isnt safe to where the shirt in the opposing city/district.
here are a few examples.
sunderland- newcastle
manu-liverpool
cardiff-swansea
celtic-rangers
Some pubs will not let you wear a football shirt. But, some pubs will not let you wear designer clothes, especially if you wear the likes of lacoste, paul smith, stone island, cp company, burberry. If you wear that kind of stuff you might be labelled a football hooligan. Near football stadiums on matchdays its quite common to see a list of clothing brands which you are not allowed to wear in the pub. |
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angrysoba
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Celtic - Rangers have a truly nasty, sectarian rivalry.
Also, I wouldn't wear a Manchester United shirt in Liverpool, parts of London or Leeds.
I wouldn't wear a Leeds shirt in Manchester, Liverpool or Turkey. |
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Eva Pilot
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| angrysoba wrote: |
Celtic - Rangers have a truly nasty, sectarian rivalry.
Also, I wouldn't wear a Manchester United shirt in Liverpool, parts of London or Leeds.
I wouldn't wear a Leeds shirt in Manchester, Liverpool or Turkey. |
Celtic and Rangers is more than a footbal rivalry.
United and Liverpool fans just f'n hate each other.
I wouldn't GO to Turkey at all.  |
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markle
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Eva Pilot wrote: |
Any disciplined team can break down the Brazil mystique by just holding firm at the back and not letting their forwards from playing on the ball.
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Only trouble with that strategy is that you end up putting all your energy into defending and when the Brazilians do finally end up scoring you spend the rest of the game trying to catch up. That's why the French won in '98 they scored more because they focussed on attack. |
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