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If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving kids

 
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving kids Reply with quote

Hi all!

I'm a 31 year old mother of two who happens to be in applications process with Nova and ECC now, probably others later.

I have no intention of taking my kids or husband with me. Note, kids are with my exH, with whom I get on famously, and my current husband will be quite busy doing extensive globetrotting for his own career the next couple years. So I thought why not go to Japan? I'd been mulling it for years and it was just never the right time... but now it is!

I chose the corporate route because I am teaching ESL in the public school system now and I absolutely hate it. Passionately. The reason? The kids don't give a monkey's hind end. They aren't interested in English, they do not wish to learn English, they see no reason to learn English, and are forced to be there. They are rude nasty little beasts. Especially 5th graders. 6th are fine, 3rd are dreamy, 4th are getting a bit cheeky, and 5th graders are all possessed beasts in my experience thus far. I want to be with people who at least are paying for the privelege, and might be more interested.

I have a bachelor's in a stupid major I will never allow my children to study on my dime, and experience is all.

When I was with exH, he travelled quite heavily and extensively as well. I often had the kids alone for 6 months at a time or more. He returned the favour a few times. We also met up with one another for holidays every few months. In other words, my kids are used to going without mummy or daddy for extended amounts of time, and we parents are used to it as well. exH being a complete tech wizard has enabled us to never go more than 2-3 days without speaking to one another. My current husband and I have spent quite a good deal of time apart, with him spending the better part of a year in China and Thailand (where I eventually joined him for a few months). We're not new to this travel thing.

My problem is I wonder how far I go to hide this from interviewers. I see no place to answer this question on the Nova app, and I certainly don't intend to bring it up as I imagine the typical response would be to blacklist me. Or are there other people who do this? What do you think? Also I've seen some forms where they ask if you are married. I feel like saying no! It's none of their bloody business! I have accepted the picture on the resume bit, but asking for my marital status just annoys me for some reason.

I'm also really looking forward to this because I am a top rate cook from scratch of Japanese foods. I just want to eat and sit at home with a bit of sake or go for walks in the neighbourhood when not at work. I am completely and utterly disinterested in paying for a nightclub (I can never enjoy it-- I keep sitting there thinking how much cheaper it would be to get far more drunk in the privacy of my own home!). I think I'd be an ideal employee for an English factory like one of the big four, but I am paranoid that "married with children" thing will make them run.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving k Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
I'm also really looking forward to this because I am a top rate cook from scratch of Japanese foods. I just want to eat and sit at home with a bit of sake or go for walks in the neighbourhood when not at work. I am completely and utterly disinterested in paying for a nightclub (I can never enjoy it-- I keep sitting there thinking how much cheaper it would be to get far more drunk in the privacy of my own home!). I think I'd be an ideal employee for an English factory like one of the big four, but I am paranoid that "married with children" thing will make them run.


Hi,

I'm married with kids but a school may want to know if you are married or single as they will offer you accomodation or ask you to share with other employees. Most do not rent housing to married couples as the spouse is not an employee and is 'dead weight' who doesnt pay rent. If you have kids they may think you want to finish work early etc. There are a lot of married women who work here and have husbands but really your private life is your business. They wont run as long as they know kids wont interfere with your ability to do your job.

FWIW one of the posters here is working in Shikoku and his wife and kids are in the US. He is living by himself in Japan.

You may need to either organise your own accomodation or tell the school you can rent an apartment through them as long as they know you are on your own. You dont have to explain your situation in great detail, just let them know you are travelling alone and have no 'baggage'. Don't tell them more than they need to know, is the best policy.
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving k Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
You may need to either organise your own accomodation or tell the school you can rent an apartment through them as long as they know you are on your own. You dont have to explain your situation in great detail, just let them know you are travelling alone and have no 'baggage'. Don't tell them more than they need to know, is the best policy.


I hadn't even thought of doing it that way! However, the start up costs for apts scare the jeepers out of me. But I should look into it as somehow I doubt that company accomodations are the only "easy start up" game in town. I am sure costs will even out over the long haul but it's worth it to me to pay a bit extra each month for the ease/no hassle option if I can find it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving k Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
I hadn't even thought of doing it that way! However, the start up costs for apts scare the jeepers out of me. But I should look into it as somehow I doubt that company accomodations are the only "easy start up" game in town. I am sure costs will even out over the long haul but it's worth it to me to pay a bit extra each month for the ease/no hassle option if I can find it.


If you rent an apartment not leased by your employer you can expect to pay 4-5 months in key money deposit and agents fees. Thats up to $4000-5000 up front before you move in. You also have to furnish the place as well as apartments are empty when you move in.

Some landlords will not rent to foreigners in Tokyo but an employer may help you find a place and act as guarantor. You will need a lot of handholding in the beginning and a hefty infusion of cash but renting your own place is recommended if you plan to stay more than a year. If one year is all you plan to be here then go with the higher rent provided by your employer.

There is a place called Leo Palace that rents to foreigners, you dont need a guarantor but you need to pay rent up front, in advance before you move in, so you might need at least a years rent in your pocket before you sign on the rental agreement.
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: If this has been asked before I'll eat my hat -leaving k Reply with quote

You know, I'm looking about and I don't see where the gaijin houses are much different than company sponsored housing. That seems like a sensible enough option. Now that I know there are some, I can relax a bit and find out where I'll be going before making plans.

Thanks Paulh Smile
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't HAVE TO say that you are married, but expect someone to ask. You don't HAVE to say you have children, either, but expect that question, too.

Come to an interview with an attitude like "It's none of your damn business", and you won't get the job. Trust me. Come and be pleasant and honest enough to say that you won't be traveling with your family, and that this has never been a problem before (although it sounds like a bit of a white lie because I don't think you've been apart from them for a whole year, have you?), and you'll probably do fine.

Gaijin houses are like boarding houses. You share some facilities, so it's not like renting an apartment.

When Paul wrote that you will have to furnish your own apartment (in most cases), he means with EVERYTHING. Washing machine, fridge, stove (just a countertop burner, essentially, is all that people use here), curtains, light fixtures (YES!!), etc. Many items can be purchased at 100-yen shops, but not these.

Oh, and as far as having customers / students (the young'uns anyway) that pay for the privilege of learning English, you might be surprised. Not all kids enjoy it that much here, either.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who has lived in both gaijin houses and company sponsored housing, I have to tell you there is an enormous difference- the first being numbers. If you are sharing in company sponsored housing, you are sharing the kitchen/ bathroom/ mess with 2 other people at the most.

In a gaijin house it's up to 20 people- possibly more. You have your own bedroom, but it's a real university dorm situation. Both gaijin houses (misnomer as half the residents were Japanese) I lived in the kitchens were filthy- there are always some people who will not clean up after themselves no matter what- and there was a lot of noise. Weirdos abound as well.

I wouldn't recommend anyone the gaijin house route- either take the company accommodation, especially if you are only looking at coming for a year or so, or go with Leo Palace or Sakura House or similar.
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I read the title of this subject, I thought you were going to eat your kids 'cos they kept losing their hats........

Not true however.....

Anshinshimashi-ta ! Wink
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24601



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Come to an interview with an attitude like "It's none of your damn business", and you won't get the job. Trust me.


I won't say or show it (I think I was Japanese in a past life) but I may well think it. That said I'll answer forthright if asked.

Glenski wrote:
Come and be pleasant and honest enough to say that you won't be traveling with your family, and that this has never been a problem before (although it sounds like a bit of a white lie because I don't think you've been apart from them for a whole year, have you?), and you'll probably do fine.


Well we wouldn't be apart the entire year. My husband and daughter will come over new years (yeah they know to book in advance etc etc) and renting a hotel. I may not see them every day but being together at night is fine. Our whole family has done a great deal of long distance family-ing, we're pretty skilled in this. This will be the first time *I* will be gone longer than a vacation without the kids tho. Usually *I* stay home and either their dad goes abroad or he takes them with him (as of right now in fact they're on a 3 month stint in Copenhagen) if he feels they'll see something new and interesting.

And before someone asks, we do a lot of homeschooling/correspondence learning. It also helps having what comes to effectively four parents being as my ex and I are both remarried.

Glenski wrote:
Gaijin houses are like boarding houses. You share some facilities, so it's not like renting an apartment.


I don't really mind that honestly. I get a bit paranoid alone in my own official house. It's weird, I know.

Glenski wrote:
When Paul wrote that you will have to furnish your own apartment (in most cases), he means with EVERYTHING. Washing machine, fridge, stove (just a countertop burner, essentially, is all that people use here), curtains, light fixtures (YES!!), etc. Many items can be purchased at 100-yen shops, but not these.


Yeah that's why I'm not too keen on the idea. It's going to have to be either company or the gaijin I think. And one of the only reasons I am leaning to gaijin is I have no desire to help a school earn profit off of renting to its employees. Just a *quirk*.

Glenski wrote:
Oh, and as far as having customers / students (the young'uns anyway) that pay for the privilege of learning English, you might be surprised. Not all kids enjoy it that much here, either.


I'm sure they don't. But there won't be 35-40 in a class, and I'll have the option of some adults, right? Honestly I am so burnt out on the monstrous classes I am teaching now that the Nova type situations, even when I read the union folks bashing it, sound fabulous.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
I wouldn't recommend anyone the gaijin house route- either take the company accommodation, especially if you are only looking at coming for a year or so, or go with Leo Palace or Sakura House or similar.


That's exactly the type of place I was looking into! I was thinking easy no frills type stuff, but a bit, well, for whiny baby westerners Wink Seems to fit the bill.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

king kakipi wrote:
When I read the title of this subject, I thought you were going to eat your kids 'cos they kept losing their hats........

Not true however.....

Anshinshimashi-ta ! Wink


A very eats, shoots and leaves moment indeed.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be much more impressed if you leave your hat and eat your kids! Laughing
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be prepared for Japanese people to not understand your reasoning AT ALL for what you will be doing. It's normal for the father to live apart form the family for work, but UNHEARD OF for the mother to do so. You're in for some interesting conversations about societal norms!

Anyway, good luck. If it's what you want to do, I don't think you'll have a problem getting a job. If I were you, I wouldn't freely offer any information about your personal situation, but I also wouldn't lie. And yes, you will be asked.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there won't be 35-40 in a class, and I'll have the option of some adults, right?

I don't know if you have any options at all. You teach what you're given, I believe. Count on classes with kids or adults. One problem with NOVA is that you don't have any consistency from class to class with students. Anyone can sign up to take your class, so you may never see the same face twice, or in the following lesson.
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kanjizai



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it!
You don`t have to explain or apologize.

Good Luck!
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