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Aristotle
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Deportations from Taiwan are becoming more and more common. The biggest difference in present deportations as opposed to those in previous years is that many people don't know they have been deported until they try to re-enter the occupied territory of Taiwan.
In the past a revocation of an ARC by an employer was not grounds for deportation but that is becoming the norm here on Taiwan. Blacklisting as a favor to Taiwanese employers is increasing as well.Often it is used as a tool used to undermine the few rights granted by Taiwan's useless and widely ignored labor rights laws.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
As an added note deportations are extra judicial in nature meaning there is no right to trial and you can only appeal them to the same authority the issued them in the first place.
Hence all deportations are final and I have never heard of a deportation order being successfully overturned in the occupied territory of Taiwan.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
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clark.w.griswald
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| Deportations from Taiwan are becoming more and more common. |
Nothing more than an urban myth that people like Aristotle like to perpetuate.
Please feel free to post the source of your claims however.
| Aristotle wrote: |
| The biggest difference in present deportations as opposed to those in previous years is that many people don't know they have been deported until they try to re-enter the occupied territory of Taiwan. |
Well if that's the case then they haven't been deported then have they. Their visas have been cancelled and they are not being permitted to re-enter the country. That is not a deportation.
I have never heard of this happening though. It is much more difficult for people to work here illegally now and Aristotle has always been an advocate of working here illegally. Most likely what Aristotle is referring to is the fact that people who have been working here illegally on tourist and student visas are finding it more difficult to renew these visas on visa runs. So bascially they are leaving the country every two months or so as they always have, but are not finding it as easy to secure visas to come back again.
If you are working here legally then you don't need to be doing visa runs so you have nothing to worry about.
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| In the past a revocation of an ARC by an employer was not grounds for deportation but that is becoming the norm here on Taiwan. |
This is also untrue.
First off your employer cannot revoke your ARC, only the FAP can do that.
When you leave your employer whether this is due to you resigning, completeing your contract, or being fired, then you are no longer the responsibility of your employer as far as being sponsored by them. They are legally required to notify the government within 72 hours that you have left their employ, and you then have seven days to leave the country. This has not changed and has always been the case.
What has changed is that now you can add a second employer to your ARC such that you can remain in the country after you have left the original employer. So things are actually better and much easier for teachers now than they have been in the past. Aristotle is not aware of all of this as he does not hold an ARC to work here in Taiwan and has always been an advocate of working here illegally.
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| Blacklisting as a favor to Taiwanese employers is increasing as well.Often it is used as a tool used to undermine the few rights granted by Taiwan's useless and widely ignored labor rights laws. |
Aristotle contradicts himself here. Blacklisting is based upon the labor laws so therefore if the labor laws are being ignored then blacklisting would not exist.
The fact is that very few teachers have been blacklisted by the CLA as far as I can gather. Teachers can only be blacklisted for premature breach of contract without notice. So if you run away from an employer then you will be blacklisted. If you resign a position responsibly then you won't be. It is up to you.
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| As an added note deportations are extra judicial in nature meaning there is no right to trial and you can only appeal them to the same authority the issued them in the first place. |
If you appeal a deportation then you get a court hearing and this has been done in the past by a number of foreigners.
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| Hence all deportations are final and I have never heard of a deportation order being successfully overturned in the occupied territory of Taiwan. |
Once again you contradict yourself Aristotle. On one hand you suggest that there is no judicial process, and on the other you suggest that there is but to your knowledge no one has ever succeeded in having a deportation overturned.
Perhaps that is because only people who deserve to be deported get deportation notices in the first place and therefore the courts uphold the initial decision to deport. If as you suggest people were getting deported for no reason then surely this would result in cases being overturned by the courts! |
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