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thrifty
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| I have tried to get him to do that but he can't because those jobs are pure TEFL fantasy. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kaspar Hauser wrote: |
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| In the past, I've been a part-time instructor at my local community college (which is supported by my property taxes). The part-time hourly rate starts at US$65. And the full-time instructors there do indeed make the salaries I posted -- and more. An MA in TESOL is a minimum requirement for all instructors. |
Oh, part-time is it? First of all, I find it VERY hard to believe that there are part-time ESL teachers making $65 an hour at community colleges in the USA. And second, even if this were true, it's PART-TIME--maybe six or eight hours a week, maybe eight or nine months a week and NO BENEFITS. How does this add up to $60,000 or $70,000 a year? Could I, a married guy with children, support my family with one of these (imaginary) jobs? I don't think so, and unless you supply some evidence, I will continue to believe that you are delusional. |
With your sorry reading skills, you will definitely NOT qualify for one of these plumb jobs. 
Sorry, mate!!! Join the failure boat with "thrifty" for a quick trip to oblivion and misery. And "thrifty" refused to admit that there are English-teaching jobs in the UK (for which he is qualified) that pay at least 37,000 quid, even after I posted the job announcement. You guys are never satisfied, even when evidence is placed before your noses!  |
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thrifty
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I had "the quick trip to oblivion" last night and have been suffering all day. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Here is a sample posting for ESL instructors to join the pool of part-time instructors for San Francisco City College. The college has many campuses and uses hundreds of part-timers. Yes, SF is an expensive city to live in. No, this hourly salary is not unusual for northern California urban areas (like my own). Yes, there are no benefits. Most part-timers combine two or three such jobs for a rather decent income. There are literally dozens of community colleges at which to teach ESL in the SF metropolitan area of nine counties.
And, as I mentioned previously, full-timers easily receive annual salaries of $60,000 to $70,000 -- and more.
Job Title: English as a Second Language (ESL) Instructor
Job Type: Faculty
Job Classification: ESL/FSL
Online Application: Not Available
Detailed Job Description: See Relevant Links
Minimum Qualifications: See Relevant Link below for more information
Salary: $74.99-$81.84/hr. (credit) ; $45.00-$49.10/hr. (noncredit)
Work Year: TEMPORARY, PART-TIME POOL
Full Time/Part Time: Part-Time Temporary
Agency: San Francisco Community College District
Academic Job Line No: 415-241-2246
Classified Job Line No: 415-241-2246
College: CITY COLLEGE OF SAN FRANCISCO
Phone Number: (415) 241-2246
Contact: Human Resources
Date Posted: Monday, August 02, 2004
Application Deadline: Monday, July 03, 2006 |
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thrifty
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| There are no full time jobs, that is why you are posting part time jobs. |
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Rin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to break up yet another interesting discussion on TEFL jobs, but this post was about teaching with a bi-polar illness.
To answer the question, the vast majority of Asia has the same opinion as Calories about mental illnesses, so finding medication is difficult, so is finding a psychiatrist. Also, there are a lot more brands available in the US than anywhere else in the world, so you have to make sure you are using a basic, established brand (i.e. Prozac not Paxil). I'm not sure about Latin America but I can imagine it is probably pretty similar. Stick to Europe if you are worried since you will beable to get all the same help that you can in the US.
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cam
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Stick to Europe if you are worried since you will beable to get all the same help that you can in the US.
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You may be able to get the same quality of help in Europe but can you afford the help and medications on an ESL teacher's salary in Europe? |
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thrifty
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| You cannot afford to live on a TEFL wage in Europe let alone pay for private psychiatric care. |
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Calories
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Pardon me, but I think psychiatrists are monsters.
Yes of course you can do anything you like, but seriously, medication sucks especially bipolar meds. It changes a person entirely and makes people fat. Why would you do that to yourself? There are plenty of ways to manage bipolarality without psychiatricks. |
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What ways would those be oh wise one? |
Social support, meditation, proper diet and stable sleep patterns avoiding 'triggers' and recognising when an episode is coming. Extreme mania or depression doesn't happen in out of nowhere. There are warning signs. |
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moot point
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| So...LaMaestraAE....after all the irrevelant posts that followed your initial question with all the idiot answers and kickbacks to forum flamers, I think you'll be fine. These guys obviously have proven that HIDDEN mental diffeciencies are absolutely allowed in the TESL industry in Turkey and China. Good luck. |
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Rin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| cam wrote: |
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Stick to Europe if you are worried since you will beable to get all the same help that you can in the US.
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You may be able to get the same quality of help in Europe but can you afford the help and medications on an ESL teacher's salary in Europe? |
She's not asking if she can afford it, she is asking if she can get it. I'm sure that if she is considering doing it than she is well aware of the costs. I'm not sure about the help, but medications are cheaper outside of the US. |
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Rin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Calories wrote: |
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Pardon me, but I think psychiatrists are monsters.
Yes of course you can do anything you like, but seriously, medication sucks especially bipolar meds. It changes a person entirely and makes people fat. Why would you do that to yourself? There are plenty of ways to manage bipolarality without psychiatricks. |
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What ways would those be oh wise one? |
Social support, meditation, proper diet and stable sleep patterns avoiding 'triggers' and recognising when an episode is coming. Extreme mania or depression doesn't happen in out of nowhere. There are warning signs. |
Social support: like what? Welfare? Or do you mean the support of family and friends. The problem there is that family and friends aren't capable of helping someone through a serious manic or depressive period. Most times they have no idea and are incapable of understanding what the person is going through. Hence the need for a psychologist who can help to teach the person coping mechanisms. Which are still useless if the person is unmedicated.
Meditation: ya ok, after that try a joint I hear that works too.
Proper diet and stable sleep patterns: The problem with the manic depression is that it messes up sleep and diet. You can try to adjust them but if your body doesn't want to sleep because you're in a manic episode than there's not a whole lot you can do without...MEDICATION.
Avoiding "triggers": and what are those? Bad day at work? Fight with loved one? A particualarly sunny day? Especially with depressive periods there usually are no "triggers", since (especially with women) it is usually linked to a hormonal imbalance, so I suppose we could all get rid of our hormones, but really the only answer is MEDICATION. Also since you can't predict the triggers what you are asking the person to do is avoid Life.
There are warning signs that a person is suffering from and in the midst of mania or depression but not really before (at least that can be noticed by someone outside of a doctor or psychologist). Manic Depressions and Clinical Depression are caused by chemical and hormonal imbalances that have to be treated by medication and psychologists or psychiatrists that have to help teach coping mechanisms.
Also if you are properly medicated you should not suffer from adverse effects like weight gain. |
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thrifty
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| TEFL is a trigger. |
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ls650
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope that 'LaMaestraAE' can find the answers to his/her question buried in that avalanche .... |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| thrifty wrote: |
| There are no full time jobs, that is why you are posting part time jobs. |
Tell that to my friend and colleague who just got a full-time job at the College of Alameda. She'll be happy to give you advice on leaving oblivion.
And why didn't you take the full-time job in England paying 37,000 quid? Oh, that's right. You can't afford to move there. |
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