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robinnn



Joined: 24 May 2006
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Location: Spain

PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: An obvious decision? Reply with quote

Hi
This is my problem, although to some it may seem obvious as to what I should do.
As a Nova and Geos reject, I'm trying to raise money to get a working holiday visa for Japan, but I guess I have only until October to get one otherwise I'll arrive there in a dead hiring season and won't last very long. My back up plan is to go to China on a volunteer English teaching project to get some experience for 3 months, come back with just enough time to raise the money I need for Japan again from scratch, and get over there in Spring 2007 when the hiring picks up, plus 3 months experience in China to put on my CV. Razz
My problem is that logic is telling me to go to China first but my desire to live in Japan tells me otherwise. I know which option is better and more sensible, but I think I just need to be discouraged or encouraged to go one way or the other. I would like to go to China alot, but I've been preparing myself for Japan for so long that the idea of not going this year feels so disappointing. Will somebody give me a metaphorical slap round the face?!!!! Confused
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movinaround



Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: An obvious decision? Reply with quote

robinnn wrote:
Hi
This is my problem, although to some it may seem obvious as to what I should do.
As a Nova and Geos reject, I'm trying to raise money to get a working holiday visa for Japan, but I guess I have only until October to get one otherwise I'll arrive there in a dead hiring season and won't last very long. My back up plan is to go to China on a volunteer English teaching project to get some experience for 3 months, come back with just enough time to raise the money I need for Japan again from scratch, and get over there in Spring 2007 when the hiring picks up, plus 3 months experience in China to put on my CV. Razz
My problem is that logic is telling me to go to China first but my desire to live in Japan tells me otherwise. I know which option is better and more sensible, but I think I just need to be discouraged or encouraged to go one way or the other. I would like to go to China alot, but I've been preparing myself for Japan for so long that the idea of not going this year feels so disappointing. Will somebody give me a metaphorical slap round the face?!!!! Confused


Have you tried AEON, ECC or the JET program yet. Don't let those interviews get you down. You could have had a bad day, they could have had a bad day, etc etc... Anyways, you could try again.

Second, if you are going to China, you do NOT need to volunteer. An 80 year old, ugly, moronic high school graduate (see DISCLAIMER AT BOTTOM) could get a job there paying atleast 4000 RMB with housing. Maybe you can even save a little if you did private lessons (go to a bigger city if you want to). This might help with saving for the holiday visa.

DISCLAIMER
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being older, ugly, and having a bachelor degree doesn't necessarily make one a better teacher. I am just saying that with the blantant discriminitation you find in the Asia job front, you can still get a job in China if you look hard enough.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the rush? The surge for October hires is not that large here in Japan. Having 3 months volunteer teaching experience under your belt won't really count for much, either. Besides, volunteering does give you a chance to experience a new culture (something that IS good on a resume), but you will only waste the time that you could be using to build up your finances.

movinaround suggested JET, and I will only point out that JET accepts applications in late November/early December for the following year's hires (interviews in February, shipping out in August), so Robinn has a long wait. The GOOD thing about JET is that they pay more than the average salary here, and they pay for airfare.

I'd say look more at a chance to get hired next year, or get some work at home now.
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robinnn



Joined: 24 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That all seems like good advice, thanks. I'm still torn though. As far as volunteering goes, it appeals to me more than paid work because I'm not comfortable with the idea of being paid for something I may be really bad at. I just want to try myself in that area first. As the China work is classroom ALT stuff it would make me good Interac material right?
On Japan, I know I'm good at one to one private tution because I've been doing it for 2 years in the UK, so I think I could do that in Japan to supplement the money I brought with me, to keep my head above water until I find a full time job. Any thoughts on that?
You asked me what the rush is? I just left university and I'm young and impulsive! Er, and living with my parents.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On Japan, I know I'm good at one to one private tution because I've been doing it for 2 years in the UK, so I think I could do that in Japan to supplement the money I brought with me, to keep my head above water until I find a full time job. Any thoughts on that?
Have you been giving 1 on 1 lessons to Japanese students (whatever the age) in Japan? No. There is probably quite a difference, not only in the mindset of the students, but in the environment surrounding them and you.

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As the China work is classroom ALT stuff it would make me good Interac material right?
This is just my opinion, but a couple of months of volunteer work won't really count for much to most employers.
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robinnn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear this all the time but I still don't know why, why is experience in China or Korea, etc, not valued in Japan? Is it just snobbery?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robinn,
Call it snobbery if you like it. The students are not the same, although they share some cultural characteristics.

What I meant above was that a mere 2-3 months won't matter much.
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paulmanser



Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 months TEFL experience does count if your a newbie and getting your first job. Would give you an edge over any other applicant without those 2 months. As long as the qualifications are fine too also.

Just got back from Prague, 4 week TESOL
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caneisha



Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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Location: SEATTLE

PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can spend a month in China working as a instructor, tutor or conversation partner in summer programs. there's a stipend and your accomodations are paid for. they'll even give you guided tours for free. i have a friend who's going to Guangzhou mid july, he said he'll be there for 5 weeks, with one week off in the middle. I'm sure there are many such programs there.
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