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Ben Round de Bloc
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| The schools still have to do up the paperwork to make a change of employer. |
Just some thoughts on this. I agree that sheer laziness is probably a big factor. Also, if an applicant already has an FM-3, a potential employer doesn't have to be concerned about whether or not that person has the necessary requirements to be granted a work visa. As picky as some immigration offices have become about the qualifications of work-visa applicants, attempting to sponsor a first-timer could be wasted time and effort on the part of a potential employer. Also, I've noticed that some employers tend to have a much better working relationship with the immigration folks than other employers have.
Based on my experience, the process of adding an employer to a work visa seems a little less bureaucratic than getting a work visa for the first time. (Granted, in this country in most situations "a little less bureaucratic" would still probably be extremely bureaucratic.) When I added my current employer to my existing work visa years ago, an immigration employee didn't like the official packet of tax records that the huge state university had provided. He asked me to bring in photocopies of all of my employer's tax records for the previous 5 years. (I don't know where he pulled that number out of. Well, yes, I do, but I'll refrain from writing it here.) When I told him I'd be willing to rent a couple of pickup trucks to deliver photocopies of all the records to the immigration office if he would be willing to help me unload them, he sort of decided that maybe the relatively small packet of information that the university had provided would suffice.  |
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geaaronson
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: Fm3 |
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| And then also I suspect that the schools may have reasons other than laziness for their reluctance to walk people through the Fm3 process. Namely, a prospective teacher would try to get a job without a fm3, convince the school, yes they will get it asap and then dilly dally instead until immigration finds out and gets the school in trouble. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| One rather prestigious school in the DF that I spoke to told me that their policy was to never sponsor someone for an FM-3. My guess is that they had enough applicants with the proper paperwork, so they had no need to get involved with all the messy "papeleo" that sponsoring a new teacher involves. |
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Samantha
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Technically a teacher is not to be hired until the proper FM3 is in place and the schools generally know this. I think many of the schools don't properly understand that a standard working permit FM3 allowing you to work somewhere else, doesn't do any good if they get checked. I think they bank on the teacher being deported and a slap on the wrist for them.
I was asked once by Tec de Monterrey if I had an FM3. I told them I wouldn't be authorized to work there on the existing FM3... (This would have been long before the idea of an Independiente for teachers) I was hired anyway, and they sorted it out internally (as many schools are known to do) since it was only a temp position. With the category we have recently discussed, Independiente for professionals, I am not too sure all immigration offices will treat this the same way. It looks like one of those areas that could be a little gray. The website is rather vague and it looked to me like you would still have to have documentation provided from workplaces. I must check with the local powers to see what I can discover. |
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ls650
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Fm3 |
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| geaaronson wrote: |
| a prospective teacher would try to get a job without a fm3, convince the school, and then dilly dally instead until immigration finds out and gets the school in trouble. |
I don't this would ever happen. Every time I've heard of a teacher working illegally, without fail it's been a case of the teacher wanting to work legally, but the school stalling because it wants to avoid the hassles of FM3 paperwork - and worse, often wants to avoid paying income tax to the hacienda. |
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MixtecaMike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: Re: Fm3 |
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| ls650 wrote: |
| ... and worse, often wants to avoid paying income tax to the hacienda. |
What is bad about not wanting to pay income tax? I avoid the stuff like the plague, myself. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Fm3 |
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| geaaronson wrote: |
| And then also I suspect that the schools may have reasons other than laziness for their reluctance to walk people through the Fm3 process. Namely, a prospective teacher would try to get a job without a fm3, convince the school, yes they will get it asap and then dilly dally instead until immigration finds out and gets the school in trouble. |
I can't imagine that happening here in Merida. First of all, legitimate schools wouldn't give a contract to a foreigner before he had a work visa. They might let him start working as a "volunteer" while his paperwork with immigration was en tramite, but they wouldn't officially employ him. There's no great shortage of qualified teachers for decent jobs in this city. If a prospective teacher dilly-dallied with his FM-3 application, an employer would most likely hire someone else. |
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ls650
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Fm3 |
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| MixtecaMike wrote: |
| What is bad about not wanting to pay income tax? I avoid the stuff like the plague, myself. |
I've heard of teachers being told that the 'deductions' on their pay are paying taxes when instead they are going into the owners pocket.
And of course, no one likes paying taxes, but the government has to pay for services like health care, roads, schools, police, fire, etc. I do whatever I can to keep my taxes to a minimum - legally - but I'm not a dishonest person, and I don't condone cheating either. |
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cwc
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Fm3 |
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| ls650 wrote: |
I don't this would ever happen |
What? |
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