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DELTA/TESOL Diploma - what good?
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what a DELTA is and what it is not. Holy crap! I just said that it should stand as a qualification, in governments, that it is and is meant to be by employers who need to hire teachers:

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(* By "qualified" I mean based on what these schools require of their teachers, not what Y'ALL think makes for the best teacher possible. "Qualified" means "qualified based on what the company itself requires," which in the case of a franchise operation is generally a CELTA type thing, and for DoSes, a DELTA or equivalent.)
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Wigwam



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ Church University UK
MA/Diploma in TESOLTeaching English to Speakers of Other Languages.
Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages.
In order to do the Diploma you must have a degree. If you get the diploma you can then move straight onto the MA.

This programme is designed for practising English language teachers who wish to upgrade their professional qualifications to Diploma and/or MA level. Since the programme began in the 1980's, many teachers from all over the world have successfully obtained their MA and are now working as teachers, trainers, managers and academics in Britain and overseas.

The programme is aimed at teachers with a first degree, a good level of English, and teaching experience.

Why should you choose this course?
This Diploma / MA is distinctive in these ways:

It has a clear and continued focus on classroom practice, which means that theory is drawn from and related to actual classroom teaching
It offers a number of practical modules which include a full-time four week teaching practice, and other practical modules designed to improve your abilities to observe classes, prepare materials, teach different language skills and aspects of grammar and vocabulary.
It also equips you to take up professional roles in teacher training, management, course design, testing, CALL (computing), and language education research - all are covered in different modules.
It offers specialist pathways in Teaching Young Learners, and Multimedia and Internet Technology in ELT
It has a lively international atmosphere. Recent students have come from Britain, Japan, Greece, Taiwan, Korea, Germany, Spain, Libya, Hong Kong, Argentina, Mexico, Italy and other countries.
It allows very flexible modes of study, including part-time and full-time, and some of the later modules can be done at a distance (e.g. in your own country).
It is fully recognised by BATQI (the British Association of TESOL Qualifying Institutions), the British Council and BIELT (The British Institute of English Language Teaching)
When you finish, you should have a solid theoretical and practical grounding in all aspects of principle and practice of English Language Teaching.

Programme Description
The TESOL programme is in three stages:

Stage 1: The Advanced Certificate in Techniques and Methods in TESOL.
Comprises the following 4 modules:

Language System
Methodology
Theories and Practice of Teaching
Practical Teaching
Stage 2: Post-Graduate Diploma in TESOL
Comprises the following 6 modules:

Language Learning
Language in Context
Course Design and Testing
Elective module
Research Methods
Teaching Practice/Practical Project
Stage 3: MA in TESOL
Comprises one additional module: a 12,000-word dissertation.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wigwam wrote:

In order to do the Diploma you must have a degree. If you get the diploma you can then move straight onto the MA.


And . . . you can "move straight onto" most MA's without the diploma too - given that you must already have a degree. No DELTA required.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick question for Wigwam re: Christ Church MA TESOL


Is this the program you were referring to?



Canterbury Christ Church University - UK




I noticed that they also offer a distance option,

which I've just posted on The Master Index;

wanted to be sure I got the right one.








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Afra



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, just to muddy the waters a little more, the Diploma that Canterbury Christ Church offers is not a DELTA. It's their own post-graduate diploma in TESOL, which they moderate. DELTA is the Cambridge ESOL diploma.
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know whether or not you need a degree for the DELTA. For the Trinity TESOL diploma, you need a degree or equivalent:
http://www.trinitycollege.co.uk/site/?id=202
Look at the side bar on the right marked "Related sources," and you can download the requirements.
I qualified under the equivalent, after sitting through some tests and gruelling interviews. Of course, you also have to have a certain number of years' teaching experience, post-certificate. And you have to show that you have a legitimate certificate - face-to-face, 100+ hours of training, observed teaching practice, and so on.

As for Wigwam, what I think he meant by this:
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If you get the diploma you can then move straight onto the MA.

...is that the diploma is a large part of the MA. Of course you can do an MA without the diploma first. But once you've got it, you have done a significant amount of the MA work.

Anyway, what difference does it make whether a first degree is required or not? What matters is that the MA or diploma or whatever is recognized and by whom.
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Wigwam



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeremy Harmer got his qualification from Canterbury Christ Church to name drop. The qualification is accredited. Christ Church were represented at TESOL Arabia 2006.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen Jones wrote:


A useful comparison is to the large number of trade qualifications in the computing world; Microsoft, Cisco, Oralce or Java qualifications are not the same as a degree in software engineering or computer science, whatever their other uses.


I know, my husband has all, but still finds it difficult to get a job because he hasn't finished his degree
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: charlatans Reply with quote

Wigwam wrote:
Jeremy Harmer got his qualification from Canterbury Christ Church to name drop. The qualification is accredited. Christ Church were represented at TESOL Arabia 2006.


English Direct was represented at TESOL Arabia-so what?

Jeremy Harmer in one of his articles said, if you teach business English and usually go to work in a suit, one day turn up in shorts and a t-shirt. This was his advice on the subject of challenging conventions and getting out of the rut of language teaching.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: charlatans Reply with quote

thrifty wrote:

Jeremy Harmer in one of his articles said, if you teach business English and usually go to work in a suit, one day turn up in shorts and a t-shirt. This was his advice on the subject of challenging conventions and getting out of the rut of language teaching.


Great idea!

But also a good way to get fired from your Business English job in most countries.

You will certainly get "out of the rut" as you will no longer be teaching Business English.

Fortunately, Mr. Harmer has good income from his publications and doesn't need to rely on teaching income to pay his bills.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck, why not just take your whole class to the beach!

Out of the rut, and into the soup kitchen...
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