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How about some GOOD stories people? Throw me a bone.
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mr_cshaw



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
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Location: Travelling

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: How about some GOOD stories people? Throw me a bone. Reply with quote

I am waiting to hear details about a position in a Chinese private college (part of a univ). Met this professor while I was hitching in NZ. (Drove his car for 3 hours because he was a little new to driving!) Anyway, he is setting up a job for me. The details are a bit thin so far, but I think it could work out once I get more onfo from him. Been researching here to better prepare and it has been useful.

But how about some good stories? Successes in teaching? New unexpected friends? Personal growth from the challenges?

I have a long and varied work experience, but teaching english will be new. I doubt I will have much guidance from the sound of things. I'm expecting to be thrown on my tukis at first but then... hope to enjoy myself. Is this possible?

I challenge you guys a little GOOD STORY INDULGENCE. Laughing

Come on now...
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Shan-Shan



Joined: 28 Aug 2003
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Location: electric pastures

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's only English teaching. Some people have written that " teaching ESL in China is the toughest job you're ever gonna love" and other such hoopla and ballyhoo. In the end, it's work, and will have moments of satisfaction mixed in with long stretches of numbness, fatigue and disillusionment, symptoms that accompany any job.

Perhaps because of the location (the orient), and the lack of a need to be qualified or aware of what one is doing in the classroom contributes to the strange mystique that surrounds teaching ESL in China. In reality, if one has interest in the work, learns about and implements research, has imagination, and students not too tainted by the state (of things), the job can burgeon into an array of variegated blooms. Otherwise, ESL in China quickly deteriorates into a mess of garble gurgling at the top of its organs before a room of semi-conscious life forms.

Though it wasn't here in China, the best group I've ever taught in my four years of teaching was a kindergarden class of three students in Seoul. These three six year olds not only understood more English than my current undergrads, but could also use much more advanced and eloquent English to express an array of ideas and emotions. I still remember one class where we listened to some Tangerine Dream ("Nebulous Dawn" was the song) for five minutes as a warm-up. I asked the students to draw their impressions of the song, and then explain what they drew. All three took turns speaking for around three minutes each, giving some very intricate impressions of the song, and their responses to it. After the explainations, they wanted to keep listening to the atmospheric music while having a game of team chess.

Later on in the course, I wrote a short play for them based on three Blake poems (The Tyger, The Lamb and The Fly). In two weeks they had memorized each others poems and lines.

An absolute dream class in what was an otherwise very run of the mill language mill in South Korea.


But here I've yet to encounter such a group, nor do I expect to find a similar experience. The imaginations of the university aged Chinese (the younger I cannot comment on) are sparse. They speak, and are often just automatic mouthes yammering on about the Olympics, Celin Dion and "China is a developing country... In following the the development of China...If China could develop more quickly...China's development is too slow..."

Sometimes the pablum stinks more than the sewage spilling out of the drains and onto the roads.


I really do miss my babies of 2002. Making interactive puppet shows, eating chocolate and listening to Ummugumma. I do miss them.
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Gorak



Joined: 29 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How about some GOOD stories people? Throw me a bone. Reply with quote

mr_cshaw wrote:

But how about some good stories? Successes in teaching? New unexpected friends? Personal growth from the challenges?

... hope to enjoy myself. Is this possible?

I challenge you guys a little GOOD STORY INDULGENCE.


Most FTs would not be here if they did not have a lot of good stories. You will "enjoy" yourself if your are seeking personal growth (emotional and intellectual). That is probably what has kept me here for the past 5 years.

I say "enjoy" because personal growth does not always come with "good" stories. It often comes when one's values, attitudes, beliefs are challenged by being in a completely different culture. In China, they are constantly being challenged.

A good story? Unlike a tourist, if you come here to teach, you will have the opportunity (depends upon overcoming Culture Shock) of discovering another culture.
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good story essentially is one the FT can tell all by himself (or herself); usually, however, the first part is told by his recruiter: "An absolutely stunning cityscape, the nation's most IQ-endowed students, the hihgest salaries the province can pay, and all our FTs renew their contracts every single month of their ten-month stint!"
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woza17



Joined: 25 May 2003
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Location: china

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shan Shan an amazing story about the 3 kids. Truly gifted. Why were they so good? I get goosebumps when a student can pronounce a sentence correctly.
Look if you come here, give all your love and energy to the kids, you will probably only see them once a week but make it a fun class, get them interested, talk and cajole them but don't get angry. The poor little baastards have enough of a hard time. If you can come away teaching one phrase in English, more power to you.
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But here I've yet to encounter such a group


You should come and visit my 1st grade (soon to be 2nd grade) class. Often frustrating (you know how kids can be), but I am amazed, gratified, and excited about my end of term grades. Out of 25, easily 80% scored As and Bs in Math, Science, Reading, Spelling, Phonics exercises, etc. A couple of low-scorers, and the balance in the B and C ranges. Their end of term English test, while probaby being graded leniently by the Chinese test givers, were excellent. We've been doing a TON of speaking exercises, games and such, during the month of June and most of these kids have grown by leaps and bounds in their spoken abilities - - easily outperforming many of my previous year's Senior students - - and I'm NOT exaggerating!

We've been using the "New Parade" 1st grade level textbook (the pink one with the hippos for those in the know). When we started this back in September, many students struggled. Now? They've all outgrown it and I've just made it a point to just get through it in June, although the final unit seems totally redundant. But, they still have fun with the games and songs.

I'm generally not a big fan of younger kids, especially here in China where they are either spoiled rotten or totally ignored by their "yuppie" parents. I have one kid whose father never picks him up on Fridays - he takes a bus home. Where's his mother? Off working in Australia where he was born. Don't ask me why he's here. Another kid's father AND mother are also working in Australia - he lives with auntie and he's none too pleased by that. The first thing his father said to me back in September was, "I hope you can teach my boy better behavior so he's not so naughty all the time." Then he promptly disappeared to Australia. Is his behavior better? I don't know, he has good days and bad days, but he's damn smart, I'll tell you that! BUT, overall, this class is full of sweeties and, when I'm not going crazy getting them to sit down and be quiet and listen, listen, listen!! we laugh and sing and have some good times.
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clark.w.griswald



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: How about some GOOD stories people? Throw me a bone. Reply with quote

mr_cshaw wrote:
I challenge you guys a little GOOD STORY INDULGENCE. Laughing

Come on now...


You are pretty unlikely to get many positive stories on this site unfortunately - that is the nature of the beast. This does not mean that people here do not have good experiences, it is just an indication that this is not the place they choose to post about positive experiences as they will pretty surely get shot down by those who have become bitter about their time here.

It is worth keeping in mind that there are thousands of schools in China that employ foreign teachers, with an average of probably two or three foreign teachers at each school. If you looked at every single board that has a complaint about teaching in China in any given year you would probably come up with at most around 100 comments. Of those probably 50% are rants that only have a tentative relationship to the school (the city was dirty, the people stared, the electrivity was unreliable, the buildings had no airconditioning, the students were inattentive). Another 20% or so are the result of misunderstandings or cultural differences. Which leaves around 30% which are genuine complaints mostly about changes in teaching schedules or contract terms etc, but only a handful are about downright deceipt or ripping a teacher off. So really we are only talking abouit a small fraction of teachers who come here and have genuine difficulties with their employers.

There are a lot of people who don't enjoy their time in China that is for sure. China can be a tough place to live and is certainly not for everyone. You can't begrudge people who don't like living here but that does not always make their complaints legitimate.

Where are the good stories? Well as I mentioned most people would be hesitant to post good things on a forum like this as they are sure to get the third degree. Not legitimate questioning mind you, just snide comments from bitter people who are determined to try to make China seem as bad for others as they make it for themselves. Most of the people who have positive experiences are generally out enjoying themselves or just return home with the experience under their belt.

China is really what you make of it. You will have problems and you will meet with difficulties. It is how you choose to deal with these problems that will dictate whether you enjoy your time here or not.
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vikdk



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clark it's great you tell us about other peoples experiences in China - maybe you've done some kind of survey to be able to come up with your detailed results?
On the background of this could we find out a little more about your work history here - and how you have enjoyed wor