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Nyrthak



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach Kindergarten. I use "Superkids" and "Kangaroo". Both are very good. The school buys them from Pearson. Superkids comes with all the flash cards and if you are creative with game playing (I play games using Superkids material with 4-6 year olds), is a very good resource. Kangaroo is different. It is more based around songs and a colourful book. It comes with VCD's that are an excellent resource...especially to keep children interested in the last five to ten minutes of class. I use Kangaroo with the younger ones..say 3-4 years.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no_exit wrote:



Students need to learn from something. If they're five years old, they're old enough to start on reading and writing. They need to practice at home and lord knows their parents can't teach them anything, spoken, written, or otherwise. If they have English class with a foreign teacher say, once a week, how do you expect them to review and reinforce what they know without any materials?
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No-exit, no flame intended, but you are speaking more as an English teacher than as a kindy teacher.
And that is the problem with Chinese kindergartens: they act as cram schools where the pupils undergo the tortures of learning at a much more tender age; parents merely prolong the suffering of their darlings!

As a matter of fact, no-exit, and I am sure you can check that out with some kindergarten staffer, the powers-that-be in China's education system have decreed a long time back that WRITING IS NOT TO BE TAUGHT AT KINDIES!
Without learning how to WRITE there is nary a way of learning how to READ!

But to come back to your idea of using materials: I visited a number of European kindergartens and movements (Montessori, Rudolf Steiner), and the result of consultations with them was that kinds so young should be motivated to play rather than to study!
They are in an age when their organs aren't fully developed; indeed, a 3-year old cannot handle markers, pens or pencils! They learn - but DIFFERENTLY, and by age 5, they may learn how to learn in a more structured environment though they will hardly fit into classroom teaching.

I also think PEARSON-LONGMAN have excellent materials! What's excellent about their materials is not so much that the kids are made to "learn at home"; these books keep the kids BUSY on their own, and no one needs to supervise them and their progress in English learning!

I used to ask my pupils to DRAW, using ENglish as the medium of instruction. European kindergartens provide draftbooks and books with shapes the kids have to complete and colour.

Trouble is that such activities are not viewed by CHinese teachers and professionals as "teaching" or "learning"; if there is no frontal teaching they don't respect it.

But just for your information, I am still sorting out the books I may import into China via a distributor with antennas linking them to PEARSON and half a dozen other publishers.
It takes quite some time to browse through all these catalogues; most books are not on display here, and importing takes several weeks!
Let me know if you have any specific needs - I might be able to procure them for you.
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elliot



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey no_exit,
I've just started a summer English program for the more well off students in my city and I decided on using Fun Fun English for grades 1, 2 and 3. It is published by the Foreign Language and Teaching Research Press in Beijing and therefore is cheap as chips, about 18kuai a book. You get 8 units which if used creatively will last about 40, 30min lessons.
It also comes with a song and chant book that is great with KTV style words to music and chinese folk doing really cheesey dancing, kids love it though.
Each unit introduces about 20 new vocab items and the following pages have simple dialogues using the words and using simple grammar patterns. It also has listening excercises and some basic writing too. It is of Korean origins so the names are slightly difficult to start off with but the kids pick them up ok.
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no_exit



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Roger"]
no_exit wrote:


But to come back to your idea of using materials: I visited a number of European kindergartens and movements (Montessori, Rudolf Steiner), and the result of consultations with them was that kinds so young should be motivated to play rather than to study!
They are in an age when their organs aren't fully developed; indeed, a 3-year old cannot handle markers, pens or pencils! They learn - but DIFFERENTLY, and by age 5, they may learn how to learn in a more structured environment though they will hardly fit into classroom teaching.


Roger, I'm really glad you mentioned this. Actually, I'll tell you a bit about my own background.

I myself was educated in Montessori schools from the age of four until I was thirteen years old. The reason I was able to read and write at such a young age is entirely because of Montessori. Lots of people get Montessori wrong, in that they think the play aspect is what is emphasized. In fact, Montessori gets kids to learn more than they would otherwise learn in a normal kindergarten by disguising work as play, or more precisely, making work and play one and the same.

My own mother has been a Montessori teacher for more than thirty years. I'm fully supportive of the method. Montessori relies heavily on materials, and would never say "they're too young for this, so don't teach it to them." I learned to write (cursive before script because young children's fine motor skills aren't developed enough for the control that print requires, whereas cursive letters can be formed more easily by young children whose hands aren't as steady yet) through first tracing sandpaper letters with my fingers starting when I was about three. Reading and writing developed hand in hand, by sounding out words, learning the phonograms and practicing with the movable alphabet. I have clear memories of doing these things, enjoying them, and also having a sense that I was doing important work.

I would love to use those approaches with my students, but I haven't got a full day Montessori kindergarten program, I have kids once a week, and only for English. As anyone can tell you, Montessori materials are ridiculously expensive (although if I had some prototypes to work from, having them made locally might be an option), and on top of that, the method doesn't work so well when the children are in normal Chinese schools. I agree with you fully that Chinese schools take all of the joy out of learning, and I have no intentions of doing that with my students. My quest for proper learning materials has always centered on what will motivate the children the most, what activities they enjoy, and how to keep their learning pleasurable. Some assumptions have been made about me on this board that are obviously untrue. I, of all people, have no intention of drilling my kids, making them recite from books, copy words ten-thousand times, etc.

Unfortunately, the parents and not the children decide whether their kids will study with me or not, so there are certain needs that have to be catered to. Homework, for one. I have seen parents pull their children out of programs for not assigning enough homework! So there is a balance between doing what is best for the kids, and doing what the parents want. In an ideal world, these two would be one and the same, but China is less than ideal, to say the least. Programs like Montessori, Steiner, etc. are all basically privately funded, which means you have to have the support of parents who believe in this stuff for it to work. Until the Chinese realize the fundemental flaws behind their educational system, the chances of fully implementing these ideas are slim. Keep in mind that a lot of these kindy kids that I teach end up having to test into the best primary schools. I'm just doing the best I can, but it is an uphill struggle every step of the way, and more often that not, you simply have to compromise on some things.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear no-exit,

it's really good to read a post written by an ex-Montessorian! You know, I have seen the Montessori sign in at least one mainland kindergarten - and it was just there to hoodwink the unsuspecting parents into beliieving their kids would get a very good preschool education. Unfortunately, the owner of that kindergarten was a Singaporean school and not in the least concerned with honesty.

Honesty would have required him to involve the parents in the teaching; parents would have to take off time to attend teacher-parents meetings, right? But you see, such things never happen in China: the parents are the "customers" who expect the kindergarten to perform miracles called a "service".

I see your dilemma, no-exit; I can only say you must adapt and make the best of your situation! I think that other poster's suggestion of buying mainland-produced materials is not too bad.

I can also suggest a book (with VCD) ENGLISH WONDERLAND, which I consider one of the best materials available in the mainland market.

There is hope, though: the publishers I mentioned before are all eager to market their materials in China. Trouble is that there are no bookshops that stock them; the prices are prohibitive for most Chinese though I believe the price of a book should not be the stumbling block.

LONGMAN publishes some of their products in China (usually poor quality); good materials come from Australia (Pearson-Longman) and they have a price; but if a school is willing to sacrifice materialism for education you can place an order and get things with a discount. Let me know if I can help. I am dealing with a mainland-based distributor.
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no_exit



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, if you want, I have the e-mail of a Pearson-Longman distributor here in China. He is handling all of my textbook orders, and the costs are not prohibitive, although obviously nowhere near as cheap as a local publisher would be. I've found that the parents are not usually too bothered by the price as long as they are convinced that what they are getting is the best out there. There is one school in town (the name escapes me, but not EF obviously) that sells a book set (with audio CDs) for 1000RMB! The students are supposed to use this set for a whole three years, which seems like quite a commitment for just one set. The books I am ordering will cost me between 100-200RMB for the book/workbook/CD set. I will probably have to sell them to the parents at a slightly higher cost simply to offset the cost of shipping.

On the Montessori topic (which I'll get around to starting another thread about recently) ... there is going to be a Montessori conference held in Beijing (by AMI, the oldest Montessori governing body around) in the coming months, with extensions in cities throughout the country. If you want more info I can find out details. Apparently Montessori is growing in China, but you're right that it is mostly misunderstood by parents who simply think foreign = good. Although I did have a parent of an 8 year old who had been reading anything he could get his hands on regarding early childhood education quote to me the Montessori philosophy almost verbatim the other day! And I've seen Chinese translations of The Absorbent Mind and the Secret of Childhood (to anyone else reading this, read these two books front to back if you want to know what I really think about education before putting any more words in my mouth, heh).

Like I mentioned, I'd ultimately love to set up a complete Montessori school here, but at the moment the costs are somewhat prohibitive, not to mention the beaurocratic nightmare that would be involved in actually getting a full K-12 program liscenced on the mainland (not to mention getting AMI certification). As a product of this method, I've got nothing but great things to say about it -- Montessori instilled in me a lifelong love of learning that sadly gets snuffed out by age 8 in most Chinese children I've seen, as they become hyper focused on grades, test scores, and memorization rather than discovery. Confused
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mandu



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

our kindergarten uses a book called Doctor Bird,its for k1 k2 k3 it has good topics and the songs are related to what is being taught.i have been teaching kindergarten in china for over 5 years and this book is the best one i have used so far.

the only one problem with the book are the pictures they are not that good.

i can find out for yoy what company puts the book out my email is [email protected]
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thepreferrednomenclature



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Montessori is already a huge deal here in Beijing and most private Kindergartens now offer classes that either feature part day or full day Montessori style Kindergarten curriculum.

I was in Qingdao last weekend at the opening of a beautiful new RedYellowBlue Kindergarten there, and they have one Montessori trained teacher in each classroom.

As for texts books for that age, I fall in line with Roger and Vikdk in saying textbooks are generally not appropriate, especially for K1 or K2, and certainly won't be very effective without a great teacher being extremely creative with their use (though I'm sure no_exit is a very creative teacher and will be fine)

Please don't use GoGo.
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KL



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been motivated to post in ages, but never let a chance to praise Montessori go by! My daughter is in a AMI accredited Montessori school here in BJ. She is barely four and reading and writing in Chinese and English. The radicals for characters are introduced in the same way...with sandpaper letters. They also use trays of rice to "write" the letters/characters using fingers. Parents are always welcome to observe and have scheduled observations twice a year. I am thrilled with what I see and with the fact that I have to sneak in and turn off her light as she falls asleep reading and looking at books every night! She loves trying to figure out words and loves learning. True Montessori education is awesome!
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no_exit



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad to hear that Montessori is catching on in Beijing. I'd heard things (mostly from the folks back home, who are heavy into the Montessori community. My mother's older sister is an AMI trainer and they were both involved in kicking off the Montessori movement in the States back in the 60s and 70s) about it getting more popular in China. Wherever I'm living, when I have kids it will be Montessori all the way, even if I have to import my family over here and start the school myself!

preferred, what don't you like about GoGo? The kindy kids I saw seemed to love it. I'll go ahead and admit that I was skeptical about choosing a kindy text at first too, and my original idea was to have an American friend of mine, who is a great artist, put together a workbook of sorts for coloring, tracing words, and other simple activities they could do at home. However, the parents like sets. They like shiny pages and bright colors and trademarks from foreign publishers and CDs they can listen to in the car. I can't really effectively argue with them when other programs in the area (like the dreaded EF!) offer just that, at least not until our school is established, has build a reputation, and can afford to go against expectations. Of course just having a book doesn't mean being reliant upon it in the classroom, and of course I realize what a stupid idea that would be anyhow, when we're talking about five year olds here who can hardly sit still for five minutes, let alone actually follow a book-oriented lesson for an hour! It is just another resource, among many, that I want to have available, especially given the parental demand.
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